Science Challenges for the Next Administration
Podcast from today's broadcast of Science Friday: Science Challenges for the Next Administration (broadcast Friday, November 7th, 2008) In this segment, we'll talk about the key science-related issues facing the Obama administration, from energy policy to health care. And how will any of these issues fare when stacked up against the economy, financial recovery efforts, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200811077 patrick
Just what does ones energy policy and health care have to do with science challenges? I think this person will have enough on his plate for the next few years. Quoting Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com>:
Podcast from today's broadcast of Science Friday:
Science Challenges for the Next Administration (broadcast Friday, November 7th, 2008)
In this segment, we'll talk about the key science-related issues facing the Obama administration, from energy policy to health care. And how will any of these issues fare when stacked up against the economy, financial recovery efforts, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200811077
patrick
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Are not energy issues and health care scientific in nature? Scientists can, do and will offer possible scenarios for alternative energy technologies and medical breakthroughs, among, of course, other scientific issues. It's up to politicians to form national policy based on what science and technology can offer. As everyone knows, Bush's administration has been an absolute failure in this regard. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of diveboss@xmission.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:07 PM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Challenges for the Next Administration Just what does ones energy policy and health care have to do with science challenges? I think this person will have enough on his plate for the next few years. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 9:53 AM
The Bush administration was a little busy these past 8 years in case you failed to actually notice. But I suspect you only see what you want to see. You and I couldn't be more different. Duh! You are a pessimist and see only the failures. I am a realist. Someone who tends to view things as they really are. I can see both failures and successes. While you and your ilk were looking and waiting for every miss step of this administration, under Bush's leadership, science moved steadily forward and against to your hopes and wishes, America has succeeded. Our missile and satellite technology is much more advanced and accurate than it was 8 years ago. Of course so is China's thanks to the previous administration who made it possible for them to get that particular technology. But because it was the previous administration, I suspect you are pleased. Today, under the watchful eye's of this administration, America's means of locating hidden energy sources (oil and natural gas) and bringing it to market in an environmentally friendly manner is beyond belief. Stem cell research has progressed to where new, less controversial sources are now possible without destroying life. Science has been marching forward these past 8 years, but to see it would require a person to actually look. You would have to find a way to look beyond your prejudicious and perceived failures of this administration. Look around Kim, the proof is right in front of your eyes. All you have to do is open them and look! Quoting Kim <kimharch@cut.net>:
Are not energy issues and health care scientific in nature? Scientists can, do and will offer possible scenarios for alternative energy technologies and medical breakthroughs, among, of course, other scientific issues. It's up to politicians to form national policy based on what science and technology can offer. As everyone knows, Bush's administration has been an absolute failure in this regard.
Kim
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Just what does ones energy policy and health care have to do with science challenges? I think this person will have enough on his plate for the next few years.
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Personally, I think she is the realist. Bush has been a disaster. IMHO I can't think of anything he has managed well. You cannot give him credit for the scientific advances that have occurred despite his incompetence. Tyler _____________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of diveboss@xmission.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:29 AM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Challenges for the Next Administration The Bush administration was a little busy these past 8 years in case you failed to actually notice. But I suspect you only see what you want to see. You and I couldn't be more different. Duh! You are a pessimist and see only the failures. I am a realist. Someone who tends to view things as they really are. I can see both failures and successes. While you and your ilk were looking and waiting for every miss step of this administration, under Bush's leadership, science moved steadily forward and against to your hopes and wishes, America has succeeded. Our missile and satellite technology is much more advanced and accurate than it was 8 years ago. Of course so is China's thanks to the previous administration who made it possible for them to get that particular technology. But because it was the previous administration, I suspect you are pleased. Today, under the watchful eye's of this administration, America's means of locating hidden energy sources (oil and natural gas) and bringing it to market in an environmentally friendly manner is beyond belief. Stem cell research has progressed to where new, less controversial sources are now possible without destroying life. Science has been marching forward these past 8 years, but to see it would require a person to actually look. You would have to find a way to look beyond your prejudicious and perceived failures of this administration. Look around Kim, the proof is right in front of your eyes. All you have to do is open them and look! Quoting Kim <kimharch@cut.net>:
Are not energy issues and health care scientific in nature? Scientists can, do and will offer possible scenarios for alternative energy technologies and medical breakthroughs, among, of course, other scientific issues. It's up to politicians to form national policy based on what science and technology can offer. As everyone knows, Bush's administration has been an absolute failure in this regard.
Kim
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Just what does ones energy policy and health care have to do with science challenges? I think this person will have enough on his plate for the next few years.
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'He' actually. IMO, this thread needs to end before there is cyber bloodshed. All it will accomplish is to perpetuate the 'Us vs. Them' polarity that keeps this country from its potential. Dave
Personally, I think she is the realist.
Woops. Sorry about that Kim! You are right Dave... sorry about that. Sometimes when I read a harsh email I have a difficult time controlling my own urge to respond. I will now return to the shadows. :) Tyler _____________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dave Bennett Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:33 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Challenges for the Next Administration 'He' actually. IMO, this thread needs to end before there is cyber bloodshed. All it will accomplish is to perpetuate the 'Us vs. Them' polarity that keeps this country from its potential. Dave
Personally, I think she is the realist.
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I would have thought that differing opinions could be discussed rationally and in a friendly manner in this forum. Spirited debate with mutual respect should be possible without vitriolic exchanges. Fortunately, I've noticed that behavior of that sort is rare among this group. I honestly didn't (and still don't) see how the post I made earlier today could have invited such a response. I apologize, though, for any offense I might have given. Dave, I'm not trying to perpetuate anything, but I didn't know that it was or is inappropriate to share our thoughts among this group in the manner I describe above; that is, by extending every courtesy to one another. If all we are supposed to post here is observing reports and pretty photos, no one told me. So, again, I apologize to all. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dave Bennett Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:33 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Challenges for the Next Administration 'He' actually. IMO, this thread needs to end before there is cyber bloodshed. All it will accomplish is to perpetuate the 'Us vs. Them' polarity that keeps this country from its potential. Dave
Personally, I think she is the realist.
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Well, I have always thought of myself as a realist, but maybe I've been wrong all this time. ;-) I know of no news analyst, politician, news organization, science institution or otherwise that gives the Bush credit for any advances in the sciences during his tenure in the White House. The fact that advances have been made during the past eight years is credit to individuals, universities and private industry and not to the Bush administration. And, for what it's worth, I don't consider improved abilities to kill people scientific advancement. As Dave pointed out, I'm still a male. I just have one of those names... Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Allred Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:43 AM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Challenges for the Next Administration Personally, I think she is the realist. Bush has been a disaster. IMHO I can't think of anything he has managed well. You cannot give him credit for the scientific advances that have occurred despite his incompetence. Tyler No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 9:53 AM
So, you don't suppose that a grenade such as, "As everyone knows, Bush's administration has been an absolute failure in this regard". Could possibly be taken *the wrong way* by anyone? Over the next four years scientific advancements will ALSO be credited to individuals, universities and private industry. I don't see Obama heading to the lab any time soon. The best thing government can do is get out of the way. Clear skies. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kim Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:44 PM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Challenges for the Next Administration Well, I have always thought of myself as a realist, but maybe I've been wrong all this time. ;-) I know of no news analyst, politician, news organization, science institution or otherwise that gives the Bush credit for any advances in the sciences during his tenure in the White House. The fact that advances have been made during the past eight years is credit to individuals, universities and private industry and not to the Bush administration. And, for what it's worth, I don't consider improved abilities to kill people scientific advancement. As Dave pointed out, I'm still a male. I just have one of those names... Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Allred Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:43 AM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Challenges for the Next Administration Personally, I think she is the realist. Bush has been a disaster. IMHO I can't think of anything he has managed well. You cannot give him credit for the scientific advances that have occurred despite his incompetence. Tyler No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 9:53 AM _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
I'll let your spiteful remarks that you've made and your ignorance about the Bush administrations "achievements" stand for themselves. They say much more about you than they do about me. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of diveboss@xmission.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:29 AM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Challenges for the Next Administration The Bush administration was a little busy these past 8 years in case you failed to actually notice. But I suspect you only see what you want to see. You and I couldn't be more different. Duh! You are a pessimist and see only the failures. I am a realist. Someone who tends to view things as they really are. I can see both failures and successes. While you and your ilk were looking and waiting for every miss step of this administration, under Bush's leadership, science moved steadily forward and against to your hopes and wishes, America has succeeded. Our missile and satellite technology is much more advanced and accurate than it was 8 years ago. Of course so is China's thanks to the previous administration who made it possible for them to get that particular technology. But because it was the previous administration, I suspect you are pleased. Today, under the watchful eye's of this administration, America's means of locating hidden energy sources (oil and natural gas) and bringing it to market in an environmentally friendly manner is beyond belief. Stem cell research has progressed to where new, less controversial sources are now possible without destroying life. Science has been marching forward these past 8 years, but to see it would require a person to actually look. You would have to find a way to look beyond your prejudicious and perceived failures of this administration. Look around Kim, the proof is right in front of your eyes. All you have to do is open them and look! Quoting Kim <kimharch@cut.net>:
Are not energy issues and health care scientific in nature? Scientists can, do and will offer possible scenarios for alternative energy technologies and medical breakthroughs, among, of course, other scientific issues. It's up to politicians to form national policy based on what science and technology can offer. As everyone knows, Bush's administration has been an absolute failure in this regard.
Kim
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Just what does ones energy policy and health care have to do with science challenges? I think this person will have enough on his plate for the next few years.
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