Does the Rush Valley site provide decent dark sky views of the south and south west? Cheers David
Yes, it does but is dusty in summer and of course some smoke. Erik
Does the Rush Valley site provide decent dark sky views of the south and
south west?
Cheers
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One of the best sites within an hour's drive of SLC, from the standpoint of dark skies, is the Lakeside site. Wasatch front skyglow is a faint band only a few degrees above the eastern horizon. A short stretch of I-80 is visible from the first couple of miles of the access road, but in practice the traffic is so far away that it's not a problem. Wendover has an insignificant glow above it. The caveat, as Erik notes for Rush Valley as well, is dust. The ground is like a giant powder puff in summer, especially during a prolonged dry spell. I'm still on the lookout for a rocky segment of ground somewhere out there; if anybody finds one, please post it's exact location. If the club ever got inspired enough to dump about 30 cubic yards of one-inch gravel out there, close to the road and on a gentle slope for drainage, I'd certainly be willing to contribute to the cost. A layer of 6-mil plastic underneath it would keep it from disappearing into the ground. Just an idea and very hypothetical, I don't want to rock the boat or break any unwritten laws (again). It's maddening that the combination of nice ground site and excellent skies rarely coincide within a 60 to 90 minute drive of my segment of the Wasatch front. On 7/21/07, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Yes, it does but is dusty in summer and of course some smoke. Erik
Does the Rush Valley site provide decent dark sky views of the south and
south west?
For those who were not at the last SLAS meeting, it's possible SLAS may finally get access to a true dark sky site. Dr. Kieda (U of U) reports that the U's Southern Utah Observatory is now funded and the telescope ordered. Better still, at least for us amateur star gazers, the facility will include exterior telescope pads, a bunkhouse w/kitchen, power and a lockable storage room all of which will be available to SLAS members. Time on the telescope will also be available (I'm assuming by trained operators) when it's not in use by the U or its partners. pw On 21 Jul 2007, at 23:51, Chuck Hards wrote:
One of the best sites within an hour's drive of SLC, from the standpoint of dark skies, is the Lakeside site. Wasatch front skyglow is a faint band only a few degrees above the eastern horizon. A short stretch of I-80 is visible from the first couple of miles of the access road, but in practice the traffic is so far away that it's not a problem. Wendover has an insignificant glow above it.
The caveat, as Erik notes for Rush Valley as well, is dust. The ground is like a giant powder puff in summer, especially during a prolonged dry spell. I'm still on the lookout for a rocky segment of ground somewhere out there; if anybody finds one, please post it's exact location.
If the club ever got inspired enough to dump about 30 cubic yards of one-inch gravel out there, close to the road and on a gentle slope for drainage, I'd certainly be willing to contribute to the cost. A layer of 6-mil plastic underneath it would keep it from disappearing into the ground. Just an idea and very hypothetical, I don't want to rock the boat or break any unwritten laws (again).
It's maddening that the combination of nice ground site and excellent skies rarely coincide within a 60 to 90 minute drive of my segment of the Wasatch front.
I suppose that's good news for some, but it's just too far away for me to frequent more than perhaps once a year, at most, at least until I retire- which is still some 12-15 years off. :o( On 7/22/07, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
For those who were not at the last SLAS meeting, it's possible SLAS may finally get access to a true dark sky site.
Dr. Kieda (U of U) reports that the U's Southern Utah Observatory is now funded and the telescope ordered.
Better still, at least for us amateur star gazers, the facility will include exterior telescope pads, a bunkhouse w/kitchen, power and a lockable storage room all of which will be available to SLAS members. Time on the telescope will also be available (I'm assuming by trained operators) when it's not in use by the U or its partners.
Here is a map to the Lakeside site: http://www.utahastronomy.com/Chuck/LakesideMap Note that there really isn't a definite site, as such, most anywhere along the road leading north from I-80 is good once you get a few miles away from the Interstate. The road is paved. Some people get cell service there, some don't. No facilities.
"If the club ever got inspired enough to dump about 30 cubic yards of one-inch gravel out there, close to the road and on a gentle slope for drainage, I'd certainly be willing to contribute to the cost." Sounds like a good use of funds from the dark sky fund. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+djcolton=piol.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+djcolton=piol.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:52 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Rush Valley One of the best sites within an hour's drive of SLC, from the standpoint of dark skies, is the Lakeside site. Wasatch front skyglow is a faint band only a few degrees above the eastern horizon. A short stretch of I-80 is visible from the first couple of miles of the access road, but in practice the traffic is so far away that it's not a problem. Wendover has an insignificant glow above it. The caveat, as Erik notes for Rush Valley as well, is dust. The ground is like a giant powder puff in summer, especially during a prolonged dry spell. I'm still on the lookout for a rocky segment of ground somewhere out there; if anybody finds one, please post it's exact location. A layer of 6-mil plastic underneath it would keep it from disappearing into the ground. Just an idea and very hypothetical, I don't want to rock the boat or break any unwritten laws (again). It's maddening that the combination of nice ground site and excellent skies rarely coincide within a 60 to 90 minute drive of my segment of the Wasatch front. On 7/21/07, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Yes, it does but is dusty in summer and of course some smoke. Erik
Does the Rush Valley site provide decent dark sky views of the south and
south west?
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That's a great idea. -- Joe
"If the club ever got inspired enough to dump about 30 cubic yards of one-inch gravel out there, close to the road and on a gentle slope for drainage, I'd certainly be willing to contribute to the cost."
Sounds like a good use of funds from the dark sky fund.
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+djcolton=piol.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+djcolton=piol.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:52 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Rush Valley
One of the best sites within an hour's drive of SLC, from the standpoint of dark skies, is the Lakeside site. Wasatch front skyglow is a faint band only a few degrees above the eastern horizon. A short stretch of I-80 is visible from the first couple of miles of the access road, but in practice the traffic is so far away that it's not a problem. Wendover has an insignificant glow above it.
The caveat, as Erik notes for Rush Valley as well, is dust. The ground is like a giant powder puff in summer, especially during a prolonged dry spell. I'm still on the lookout for a rocky segment of ground somewhere out there; if anybody finds one, please post it's exact location.
A layer of 6-mil plastic underneath it would keep it from disappearing into the ground. Just an idea and very hypothetical, I don't want to rock the boat or break any unwritten laws (again).
It's maddening that the combination of nice ground site and excellent skies rarely coincide within a 60 to 90 minute drive of my segment of the Wasatch front.
On 7/21/07, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Yes, it does but is dusty in summer and of course some smoke. Erik
Does the Rush Valley site provide decent dark sky views of the south and
south west?
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We do not have a Dark Sky fund, it got disolved several years ago. Erik
"If the club ever got inspired enough to dump about 30 cubic yards of
one-inch gravel out there, close to the road and on a gentle slope for drainage, I'd certainly be willing to contribute to the cost."
Sounds like a good use of funds from the dark sky fund.
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+djcolton=piol.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+djcolton=piol.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:52 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Rush Valley
One of the best sites within an hour's drive of SLC, from the standpoint of dark skies, is the Lakeside site. Wasatch front skyglow is a faint band only a few degrees above the eastern horizon. A short stretch of I-80 is visible from the first couple of miles of the access road, but in practice the traffic is so far away that it's not a problem. Wendover has an insignificant glow above it.
The caveat, as Erik notes for Rush Valley as well, is dust. The ground is like a giant powder puff in summer, especially during a prolonged dry spell. I'm still on the lookout for a rocky segment of ground somewhere out there; if anybody finds one, please post it's exact location.
A layer of 6-mil plastic underneath it would keep it from disappearing into the ground. Just an idea and very hypothetical, I don't want to rock the boat or break any unwritten laws (again).
It's maddening that the combination of nice ground site and excellent skies rarely coincide within a 60 to 90 minute drive of my segment of the Wasatch front.
On 7/21/07, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Yes, it does but is dusty in summer and of course some smoke. Erik
Does the Rush Valley site provide decent dark sky views of the south and
south west?
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I talked to the BLM 8 years ago about the possibility of pouring a concrete "platform" at Lakeside, and received a polite no. It is possible that a dump load of gravel might be acceptable. I assume we are talking Lakeside rather than Rush valley? Regarding the dark sky fund, I am sure the club would vote to expend the funds for that sort of worthy project. Quoting erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net:
We do not have a Dark Sky fund, it got disolved several years ago. Erik
"If the club ever got inspired enough to dump about 30 cubic yards of
one-inch gravel out there, close to the road and on a gentle slope for drainage, I'd certainly be willing to contribute to the cost."
Sounds like a good use of funds from the dark sky fund.
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+djcolton=piol.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+djcolton=piol.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:52 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Rush Valley
One of the best sites within an hour's drive of SLC, from the standpoint of dark skies, is the Lakeside site. Wasatch front skyglow is a faint band only a few degrees above the eastern horizon. A short stretch of I-80 is visible from the first couple of miles of the access road, but in practice the traffic is so far away that it's not a problem. Wendover has an insignificant glow above it.
The caveat, as Erik notes for Rush Valley as well, is dust. The ground is like a giant powder puff in summer, especially during a prolonged dry spell. I'm still on the lookout for a rocky segment of ground somewhere out there; if anybody finds one, please post it's exact location.
A layer of 6-mil plastic underneath it would keep it from disappearing into the ground. Just an idea and very hypothetical, I don't want to rock the boat or break any unwritten laws (again).
It's maddening that the combination of nice ground site and excellent skies rarely coincide within a 60 to 90 minute drive of my segment of the Wasatch front.
On 7/21/07, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Yes, it does but is dusty in summer and of course some smoke. Erik
Does the Rush Valley site provide decent dark sky views of the south and
south west?
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On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:35, Josephine Grahn wrote:
Regarding the dark sky fund, I am sure the club would vote to expend the funds for that sort of worthy project.
Remembering the discord and trauma the whole "dark sky site" idea caused the club before, I really hope we don't have to go through that again. Patrick
What if a few of us got permission from the BLM and chipped in some dollars? I'd be willing to donate something. jb
On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:35, Josephine Grahn wrote:
Regarding the dark sky fund, I am sure the club would vote to expend the funds for that sort of worthy project.
Remembering the discord and trauma the whole "dark sky site" idea caused the club before, I really hope we don't have to go through that again.
Patrick
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On 25 Jul 2007, at 13:19, Joe Bauman wrote:
What if a few of us got permission from the BLM and chipped in some dollars? I'd be willing to donate something. jb
Provided SLAS and/or SLAS funds are not officially involved I can't imagine anyone complaining. pw p.s. Just don't let the BLM know we're the same group that wanted to do the "in"famous bowling ball experiment on their salt flats... <grin>
Anyone wanna take the lead on this and do a little preliminary checking? (I can't check with the BLM beause I frquently cover the agency for the Deseret News and it could be construed as a conflict of interest.) Thanks, jb
On 25 Jul 2007, at 13:19, Joe Bauman wrote:
What if a few of us got permission from the BLM and chipped in some dollars? I'd be willing to donate something. jb
Provided SLAS and/or SLAS funds are not officially involved I can't imagine anyone complaining.
pw
p.s. Just don't let the BLM know we're the same group that wanted to do the "in"famous bowling ball experiment on their salt flats... <grin>
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Out of curiosity, why would it be a huge fight to see if the club wanted to chip in to help achieve this? It seems to me that this club eagerly supports lots of things that not every member uses, because, as a group, we like to help everyone enjoy the hobby. It's not like we are talking thousands of dollars (or, if we are, I suspect it's out of the question anyway). I think talk like "oh, lets not bring anything up to do with dark sky viewing because we will fight" simply creates an attitude that there should be a fight. I support the observatory and add-ons to it, and I have never even been inside of it. I cannot imagine that Bruce or Roger or Erik or Bill or who-ever would get real upset about having a discussion on the idea of expending a couple hundred bucks to make one of the clubs closer dark sky areas a little nicer for the many members that enjoy that aspect of viewing too. (Well, okay, maybe Guy will, but that's just because he likes to stir the pot occasionally...:)). Quoting Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com>:
Anyone wanna take the lead on this and do a little preliminary checking? (I can't check with the BLM beause I frquently cover the agency for the Deseret News and it could be construed as a conflict of interest.) Thanks, jb
On 25 Jul 2007, at 13:19, Joe Bauman wrote:
What if a few of us got permission from the BLM and chipped in some dollars? I'd be willing to donate something. jb
Provided SLAS and/or SLAS funds are not officially involved I can't imagine anyone complaining.
pw
p.s. Just don't let the BLM know we're the same group that wanted to do the "in"famous bowling ball experiment on their salt flats... <grin>
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If club members pool their own money and no SLAS dues are used I doubt anyone would complain. It's when club dues get involved that problems arise. One concern I've heard is "Why should any of my dues be spent for something that I'm never going to use?" In the early days we ran into that refrain a lot when talking about building SPOC. But Siegfried and others deftly sidestepped that problem by raising enough donations that not a penny of SLAS dues has ever been spent on SPOC. Heck, even now there's a (small, I think) group of SLASers pushing the idea of SLAS getting rid of SPOC! Another concern is that we (the club) have never been able to agree on where to locate such a site. Take the current site, Lakeside, for example. It's a gorgeous site. Low horizons, dark skies and accessible year round. But even with a gravel or concrete pad for scopes, all it would take would be one unknowing astronomer (or some yokel out for a joy ride) to drive up wind of the site to ruin the whole evening. How many people are going to agree to put money into a site like that? And how's about legal? The U is currently trying to install a concrete pad out on the desert near Seabase. But work has been halted by Tooele County (same county as the Lakeside site) saying the proper permits were not applied for. So the organizers will have to work with not just the BLM but Tooele County and maybe even Hill AFB too. Which brings me to leadership. A project like this only succeeds if one or two people are willing to put the time and effort into organizing the effort, raising the money, coordinating workers, keeping the "guvment" happy and seeing it through. In the case of SPOC that was Siegfried and Bruce. SLAS's old Dark Sky Site Committee was never able to pull that off. Maybe some of those favoring this much scaled back project are willing. Time will tell. BTW, my personal leading concern has always been security. But if all we're talking about here is a bunch of gravel dumped on the ground I don't think we have to worry about security. Unless, of course, someone accidentally dumps it in a bulls-eye shaped pattern and the F-16s mistake it for a target. :) pw On 25 Jul 2007, at 14:17, Josephine Grahn wrote:
Out of curiosity, why would it be a huge fight to see if the club wanted to chip in to help achieve this? It seems to me that this club eagerly supports lots of things that not every member uses, because, as a group, we like to help everyone enjoy the hobby. It's not like we are talking thousands of dollars (or, if we are, I suspect it's out of the question anyway). I think talk like "oh, lets not bring anything up to do with dark sky viewing because we will fight" simply creates an attitude that there should be a fight. I support the observatory and add-ons to it, and I have never even been inside of it. I cannot imagine that Bruce or Roger or Erik or Bill or who-ever would get real upset about having a discussion on the idea of expending a couple hundred bucks to make one of the clubs closer dark sky areas a little nicer for the many members that enjoy that aspect of viewing too. (Well, okay, maybe Guy will, but that's just because he likes to stir the pot occasionally...:)).
Quoting Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com>:
Anyone wanna take the lead on this and do a little preliminary checking? (I can't check with the BLM beause I frquently cover the agency for the Deseret News and it could be construed as a conflict of interest.) Thanks, jb
On 25 Jul 2007, at 13:19, Joe Bauman wrote:
What if a few of us got permission from the BLM and chipped in some dollars? I'd be willing to donate something. jb
Provided SLAS and/or SLAS funds are not officially involved I can't imagine anyone complaining.
pw
p.s. Just don't let the BLM know we're the same group that wanted to do the "in"famous bowling ball experiment on their salt flats... <grin>
Patrick Out here at our site, it takes a lengthy process to add anything permanent BUT temporary structures are easily added. We needed to extend the area of our pad at the HAA site by putting post foundation blocks into the soil (after getting the OK from the local cultural advisor). It's more work, more money but served our purpose w/o having to deal w/ state, county, UHawaii, IfA and Hawaiian activists,it's a clean installation and can be removed at a moments notice. This could be a problem if your site is not in a controlled are like ours. Aloha Rob
Yes Jo, Lakeside as far as I'm concerned. I have little interest in Rush Valley. If it's not at least 3 or 4 full truckloads, though, with a barrier membrane laid-down first, it's not worth it. 8 yards will only cover enough area for 3 or 4 observers, about 4 inches deep. With no membrane (landscape fabric or heavy plastic) it will quickly sink into the soil after only a year or two. On 7/25/07, Josephine Grahn <bsi@xmission.com> wrote:
I talked to the BLM 8 years ago about the possibility of pouring a concrete "platform" at Lakeside, and received a polite no. It is possible that a dump load of gravel might be acceptable. I assume we are talking Lakeside rather than Rush valley?
Regarding the dark sky fund, I am sure the club would vote to expend the funds for that sort of worthy project.
Quoting erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net:
We do not have a Dark Sky fund, it got disolved several years ago. Erik
This sounds like a great "special project" that someone could organize on behalf of those who use this as a site to do a fundraiser among those who use the site to improve it for the people who use it Bob Bob Moore Commerce CRG - Salt Lake City office 175 East 400 South, Suite 700 Salt Lake City, Utah 84111 Direct: 801-303-5418 Main: 801-322-2000 Fax: 801-322-2040 BMoore@commercecrg.com www.commercecrg.com -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+bmoore=commercecrg.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+bmoore=commercecrg.com@mailman.xmission.c om] On Behalf Of Don J. Colton Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:14 AM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Rush Valley "If the club ever got inspired enough to dump about 30 cubic yards of one-inch gravel out there, close to the road and on a gentle slope for drainage, I'd certainly be willing to contribute to the cost." Sounds like a good use of funds from the dark sky fund. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+djcolton=piol.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+djcolton=piol.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:52 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Rush Valley One of the best sites within an hour's drive of SLC, from the standpoint of dark skies, is the Lakeside site. Wasatch front skyglow is a faint band only a few degrees above the eastern horizon. A short stretch of I-80 is visible from the first couple of miles of the access road, but in practice the traffic is so far away that it's not a problem. Wendover has an insignificant glow above it. The caveat, as Erik notes for Rush Valley as well, is dust. The ground is like a giant powder puff in summer, especially during a prolonged dry spell. I'm still on the lookout for a rocky segment of ground somewhere out there; if anybody finds one, please post it's exact location. A layer of 6-mil plastic underneath it would keep it from disappearing into the ground. Just an idea and very hypothetical, I don't want to rock the boat or break any unwritten laws (again). It's maddening that the combination of nice ground site and excellent skies rarely coincide within a 60 to 90 minute drive of my segment of the Wasatch front. On 7/21/07, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Yes, it does but is dusty in summer and of course some smoke. Erik
Does the Rush Valley site provide decent dark sky views of the south and
south west?
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