Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening
Y'all may have heard the Stephen Hawking is saying humans should not try to contact "ET". http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14961193 I just heard from KSL radio (1160 on the am radio dial) that that'll be the topic of conversation during tonight's (Monday) 9:00 hour. Tune and and give a listen. Better yet, call in and voice your opinion. Cheers, patrick
Hawkings conclusions seem to agree with plenty of sci-fi movies from the past up to the present (like theTV-Show "V"). --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote: From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening To: "utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:02 PM Y'all may have heard the Stephen Hawking is saying humans should not try to contact "ET". http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14961193 I just heard from KSL radio (1160 on the am radio dial) that that'll be the topic of conversation during tonight's (Monday) 9:00 hour. Tune and and give a listen. Better yet, call in and voice your opinion. Cheers, patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
My personal opinion is that Hawking is projecting human traits onto the aliens. I think it far more likely that any civilization capable of interstellar travel would have evolved beyond such primitive behavior. At least one would hope. And if I'm wrong and we go the way of Neanderthals or, at best, some indiginous peoples who are still hanging-on by a thread despite European contact, well, that's life in the food chain, folks.
Our signals are already out there, so if they come near we will be discovered. Good news is that if they are out there the universe is so big, we are unlikely to be discovered. Our radio signals are still only a relatively small distance away in space. The speed of light is not only a good idea but it is the law. It seems humans will deplete their resources long before they realize intergalactic travel. Does anyone believe this will happen any time soon, IE next 2,000 years? I recall a statement, that all the energy produced by man so far would be incapable of accelerating a 1 gram particle to the speed of light.
He also based his conclusion and how Columbus treated Native Americans. It seems to me man has become somewhat less aggressive over 4 million years. More evolved creatures may be more benevolent. Man's history does not dictate all beings, it seems egocentric to assume all beings will be the same. Much like early assumptions that earth was the center of the universe. It is all conjecture, hardly very scientific. Hawkings conclusions seem to agree with plenty of sci-fi movies from the
past up to the present (like theTV-Show "V").
--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening To: "utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:02 PM
Y'all may have heard the Stephen Hawking is saying humans should not try to contact "ET".
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14961193
I just heard from KSL radio (1160 on the am radio dial) that that'll be the topic of conversation during tonight's (Monday) 9:00 hour.
Tune and and give a listen. Better yet, call in and voice your opinion.
Cheers,
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I think the other question has to be asked, even IF they find out we are here, will they want to contact us?! By all accounts a species that could generate travel to the stars with their vast distances, they may view us and say after checking us out that we aren't ready, or we aren't advanced enough to have contact with them, and just go on by and ignore us. Perhaps they have a Star Trek First Contact policy or something similar and we just aren't at the point that they are going to really pay attention to us. Maybe, just maybe, despite our advances as a species, we just may need to grow up some more. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Our signals are already out there, so if they come near we will be discovered. Good news is that if they are out there the universe is so big, we are unlikely to be discovered. Our radio signals are still only a relatively small distance away in space. The speed of light is not only a good idea but it is the law. It seems humans will deplete their resources long before they realize intergalactic travel. Does anyone believe this will happen any time soon, IE next 2,000 years? I recall a statement, that all the energy produced by man so far would be incapable of accelerating a 1 gram particle to the speed of light.
He also based his conclusion and how Columbus treated Native Americans. It seems to me man has become somewhat less aggressive over 4 million years. More evolved creatures may be more benevolent. Man's history does not dictate all beings, it seems egocentric to assume all beings will be the same. Much like early assumptions that earth was the center of the universe.
It is all conjecture, hardly very scientific.
Hawkings conclusions seem to agree with plenty of sci-fi movies from the
past up to the present (like theTV-Show "V").
--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening To: "utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:02 PM
Y'all may have heard the Stephen Hawking is saying humans should not try to contact "ET".
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14961193
I just heard from KSL radio (1160 on the am radio dial) that that'll be the topic of conversation during tonight's (Monday) 9:00 hour.
Tune and and give a listen. Better yet, call in and voice your opinion.
Cheers,
patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
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Of course there are millions who claim to have had some sort of alien encounter, perhaps they are already here.
I think the other question has to be asked, even IF they find out we are
here, will they want to contact us?! By all accounts a species that could generate travel to the stars with their vast distances, they may view us and say after checking us out that we aren't ready, or we aren't advanced enough to have contact with them, and just go on by and ignore us. Perhaps they have a Star Trek First Contact policy or something similar and we just aren't at the point that they are going to really pay attention to us. Maybe, just maybe, despite our advances as a species, we just may need to grow up some more.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Our signals are already out there, so if they come near we will be discovered. Good news is that if they are out there the universe is so big, we are unlikely to be discovered. Our radio signals are still only a relatively small distance away in space. The speed of light is not only a good idea but it is the law. It seems humans will deplete their resources long before they realize intergalactic travel. Does anyone believe this will happen any time soon, IE next 2,000 years? I recall a statement, that all the energy produced by man so far would be incapable of accelerating a 1 gram particle to the speed of light.
He also based his conclusion and how Columbus treated Native Americans. It seems to me man has become somewhat less aggressive over 4 million years. More evolved creatures may be more benevolent. Man's history does not dictate all beings, it seems egocentric to assume all beings will be the same. Much like early assumptions that earth was the center of the universe.
It is all conjecture, hardly very scientific.
Hawkings conclusions seem to agree with plenty of sci-fi movies from the
past up to the present (like theTV-Show "V").
--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening To: "utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:02 PM
Y'all may have heard the Stephen Hawking is saying humans should not try to contact "ET".
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14961193
I just heard from KSL radio (1160 on the am radio dial) that that'll be the topic of conversation during tonight's (Monday) 9:00 hour.
Tune and and give a listen. Better yet, call in and voice your opinion.
Cheers,
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What if we're just not interesting enough for them to stop by more than once every few thousand years? We're an off-the-track little collection of mud huts that only grad-student anthropologists care about. Or worse: we're like a rookery of penguins in comparison to spacefaring species, not very different from one another and certainly not very smart. ________________________________ From: "erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net" <erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:33:17 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening
Of course there are millions who claim to have had some sort of alien encounter, perhaps they are already here.
I think the other question has to be asked, even IF they find out we are
here, will they want to contact us?! By all accounts a species that could generate travel to the stars with their vast distances, they may view us and say after checking us out that we aren't ready, or we aren't advanced enough to have contact with them, and just go on by and ignore us. Perhaps they have a Star Trek First Contact policy or something similar and we just aren't at the point that they are going to really pay attention to us. Maybe, just maybe, despite our advances as a species, we just may need to grow up some more.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Our signals are already out there, so if they come near we will be discovered. Good news is that if they are out there the universe is so big, we are unlikely to be discovered. Our radio signals are still only a relatively small distance away in space. The speed of light is not only a good idea but it is the law. It seems humans will deplete their resources long before they realize intergalactic travel. Does anyone believe this will happen any time soon, IE next 2,000 years? I recall a statement, that all the energy produced by man so far would be incapable of accelerating a 1 gram particle to the speed of light.
He also based his conclusion and how Columbus treated Native Americans. It seems to me man has become somewhat less aggressive over 4 million years. More evolved creatures may be more benevolent. Man's history does not dictate all beings, it seems egocentric to assume all beings will be the same. Much like early assumptions that earth was the center of the universe.
It is all conjecture, hardly very scientific.
Hawkings conclusions seem to agree with plenty of sci-fi movies from the
past up to the present (like theTV-Show "V").
--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening To: "utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:02 PM
Y'all may have heard the Stephen Hawking is saying humans should not try to contact "ET".
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14961193
I just heard from KSL radio (1160 on the am radio dial) that that'll be the topic of conversation during tonight's (Monday) 9:00 hour.
Tune and and give a listen. Better yet, call in and voice your opinion.
Cheers,
patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
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Maybe we'd be visited by Alien Antropologists then? A vertiable Margret Meade of the Cosmos, a Como-Antropologist or EBE-ologist. Bob -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:26 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening What if we're just not interesting enough for them to stop by more than once every few thousand years? We're an off-the-track little collection of mud huts that only grad-student anthropologists care about. Or worse: we're like a rookery of penguins in comparison to spacefaring species, not very different from one another and certainly not very smart. ________________________________ From: "erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net" <erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:33:17 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening
Of course there are millions who claim to have had some sort of alien encounter, perhaps they are already here.
I think the other question has to be asked, even IF they find out we are
here, will they want to contact us?! By all accounts a species that could generate travel to the stars with their vast distances, they may view us and say after checking us out that we aren't ready, or we aren't advanced enough to have contact with them, and just go on by and ignore us. Perhaps they have a Star Trek First Contact policy or something similar and we just aren't at the point that they are going to really pay attention to us. Maybe, just maybe, despite our advances as a species, we just may need to grow up some more.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Our signals are already out there, so if they come near we will be discovered. Good news is that if they are out there the universe is so big, we are unlikely to be discovered. Our radio signals are still only a relatively small distance away in space. The speed of light is not only a good idea but it is the law. It seems humans will deplete their resources long before they realize intergalactic travel. Does anyone believe this will happen any time soon, IE next 2,000 years? I recall a statement, that all the energy produced by man so far would be incapable of accelerating a 1 gram particle to the speed of light.
He also based his conclusion and how Columbus treated Native Americans. It seems to me man has become somewhat less aggressive over 4 million years. More evolved creatures may be more benevolent. Man's history does not dictate all beings, it seems egocentric to assume all beings will be the same. Much like early assumptions that earth was the center of the universe.
It is all conjecture, hardly very scientific.
Hawkings conclusions seem to agree with plenty of sci-fi movies from the
past up to the present (like theTV-Show "V").
--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening To: "utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:02 PM
Y'all may have heard the Stephen Hawking is saying humans should not try to contact "ET".
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14961193
I just heard from KSL radio (1160 on the am radio dial) that that'll be the topic of conversation during tonight's (Monday) 9:00 hour.
Tune and and give a listen. Better yet, call in and voice your opinion.
Cheers,
patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
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Our signals are out there, but so weak that all but the most high-powered, narrow-beam focused transmissions will fade to background noise after only a few hundred light-years. Radio and TV signals are probably not detectable beyond a few dozen light-years, at best.
That might actually be more accurate. Let's just hope they don't send Cosmo-Entomologists. Bob -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:30 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening Probably more like a Jane Goodall or Dian Fossey of the Cosmos (LOL). On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Robert Taylor <Rob.Taylor@digis.net> wrote:
Maybe we'd be visited by Alien Antropologists then? A vertiable Margret Meade of the Cosmos, a Como-Antropologist or EBE-ologist.
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There is precedent, as with the Daleks' "EX-TER-MI-NATE!" ________________________________ From: Robert Taylor <Rob.Taylor@digis.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:04:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening That might actually be more accurate. Let's just hope they don't send Cosmo-Entomologists. Bob -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:30 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening Probably more like a Jane Goodall or Dian Fossey of the Cosmos (LOL). On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Robert Taylor <Rob.Taylor@digis.net> wrote:
Maybe we'd be visited by Alien Antropologists then? A vertiable Margret Meade of the Cosmos, a Como-Antropologist or EBE-ologist.
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Resistance is futile!
I bet they don't send scientists at all.
I'm thinking we'll see missionaries.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Robert Taylor <Rob.Taylor@digis.net> wrote:
That might actually be more accurate. Let's just hope they don't send Cosmo-Entomologists.
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The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the One True Church! It Is Reconstituted! Believe! Or face extermination! On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:21 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Resistance is futile!
I bet they don't send scientists at all.
I'm thinking we'll see missionaries.
I display a FSM logo at my house, I hope that saves me from extermination.
Of course they will have to get past my dog. She will not give up her meal ticket quietly. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the One True Church!
It Is Reconstituted! Believe!
Or face extermination!
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:21 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Resistance is futile!
I bet they don't send scientists at all.
I'm thinking we'll see missionaries.
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And what if those "missionaries" look like ET or the little grey guys from "Close Encounters"? There goes the whole concept of whose image we were created in. --- On Wed, 4/28/10, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net <erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net> wrote: From: erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net <erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 11:21 AM
Resistance is futile!
I bet they don't send scientists at all.
I'm thinking we'll see missionaries.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Robert Taylor <Rob.Taylor@digis.net> wrote:
That might actually be more accurate. Let's just hope they don't send Cosmo-Entomologists.
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I'm trying to picture ET in a black suit with a little white name badge. It is just not working. :)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:15:48 -0700 From: astro_outwest@yahoo.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening
And what if those "missionaries" look like ET or the little grey guys from "Close Encounters"?
There goes the whole concept of whose image we were created in.
--- On Wed, 4/28/10, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net <erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net> wrote:
From: erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net <erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 11:21 AM
Resistance is futile!
I bet they don't send scientists at all.
I'm thinking we'll see missionaries.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Robert Taylor <Rob.Taylor@digis.net> wrote:
That might actually be more accurate. Let's just hope they don't send Cosmo-Entomologists.
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Chuck,
To be fair we should provide info about the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Here is the link to their website. http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/ Apparitions of their God can be found everywhere, from plates of pasta to tangled up computer cords. They do offer photographic proof. I am not sure I agree that we can solve the worlds problems by introducing more pirates. I am on the fringe of this group. Erik "What do you know about the FSM church, earthling? Would you like to know
more?"
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Steve FISHER <sfisher01@msn.com> wrote:
I'm trying to picture ET in a black suit with a little white name badge. It is just not working. :)
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Just avoid the fundamentalist sects. Those guys are freakin' nuts. They won't accept other pasta worshippers at all. You worship fettucini, they blow you up. It's spaghetti, or you die, infidel. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Chuck,
To be fair we should provide info about the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
How about Angel Hair pasta?
Just avoid the fundamentalist sects. Those guys are freakin' nuts. They
won't accept other pasta worshippers at all. You worship fettucini, they blow you up. It's spaghetti, or you die, infidel.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Chuck,
To be fair we should provide info about the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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We are getting close (not there yet) to where we can detect life or a life capable planet from Earth. Any advanced civilization would probably be pretty good at it by now. If they want to be here I doubt there's much we can do about it and many believe they are already here or have been visiting. Who knows. It is not likley we will initiate the contact, I suspect they will call us when they are ready. Yes, I believe they are out there, whether they are here or not is another question. Bob -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:03 PM To: utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Hawking vs ET - KSL this evening Y'all may have heard the Stephen Hawking is saying humans should not try to contact "ET". http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14961193 I just heard from KSL radio (1160 on the am radio dial) that that'll be the topic of conversation during tonight's (Monday) 9:00 hour. Tune and and give a listen. Better yet, call in and voice your opinion. Cheers, patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
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