I've decided that I'll no longer comment on motivations, reasons, or the zen of astronomy (or any subject for that matter) on the list, and will stick to the occasional fact only. It's obvious that I am out-of-touch with the "amateur astronomer" of today. I also lack the communcative skills to truly get my ideas across and am not doing the concepts any good for that reason. No one is interested in doing things the "old fashioned" way, the simple way, the hard way, and even the atm's of today are just interested in optics and machining, there is no room for craftsmanship and handwork in the hobby at large. I do like most of you quite a bit and will remain on the list, but as my thoughts and ideas are irrellevant to amateur astronomy in Utah I'll try lurking for a while. Since my postings sometimes tend to kill any list activity for a while afterwards, this will be a good thing. I will say that I admire those of you who have so much time for your hobby. I honestly can't understand how anyone with a career and a family can squeeze-in so much telescope and meeting time as some of you, without shorting the other two areas. My last gasp at hard-core atming and astronomy was five years ago and it's been a constant struggle ever since. It's been just ages since my time has been my own, and I can't even remember what it's like. Tonight I began taking down my home workshop. It's been idle for quite a while anyway, and I need the storage space to finish the third level of the house. I am returning to building WWI model airplanes so I am setting up a small modeling bench for the winter in one remote corner of the furnace room. Should be fun and won't require any drive time, good weather, or darkness. All the ATM stuff has been moved out to the garage rafters for a while, I just can't stare at it longingly anymore. Out of sight, out of mind so they say. I'm still deeply involved in school and since I got back on the list I must confess that I've lacked the self-discipline to properly apportion my time, so I'm only going to check email every few days to make studying easier. Those of you who's friendship I value most have my phone number if you need to get ahold of me in a hurry. Finally (hurrah!), please don't mistake this for an apology. I believe firmly in my ideas, and I only wish that I was better at communicating those ideas. Thanks for your time- now go out and look at that sky. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Chuck! I enjoy your "pontificating" greatly and I'm sure the rest do too. We need the give and take of talking about ideas, and your strong personality shines through your postings -- exactly what we should have more of, not less. Talk is the coin of the realm in the intellectual world. So don't lurk too long. -- Joe
What Joe said. Pontificate away, Chuck! Patrick Joe Bauman wrote:
Chuck! I enjoy your "pontificating" greatly and I'm sure the rest do too. We need the give and take of talking about ideas, and your strong personality shines through your postings -- exactly what we should have more of, not less. Talk is the coin of the realm in the intellectual world. So don't lurk too long. -- Joe
Thanks Bill, Joe, Patrick, Steve, the rest of you, but today I was totally wrong and Kurt and Rich were correct. Most of you are attracted to the hobby for it's techie aspects and it's not my place to judge that motivation. In the last 37 years the hobby has changed, I've changed. I don't get out of it what I used to these days; when telescope time rolls around I'm usually completely beat, but others still have that look in their eyes-and that's great. I'm not going away this time, just keeping quiet more often. When I do post, I'll try and be relevant and informative rather than cantankerous, irrascible, and condescending. Thanks for enduring my rants so far. Now my bed is calling, 4:30 comes mightly quickly. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Now my bed is calling, 4:30 comes mightly quickly.
First rule of posting - never after 2:00am - nobody's mind works that well at 4 in the morning. -:)
Thanks for enduring my rants so far.
No rants seen; no offensive taken. You should stick around as time permits. The community needs you, even if you should ever become cantankerous, irrascible, and condescending. Otherwise, life would be too boring. Best wishes - Kurt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Oh, I'm not going anywhere. I'm just not going to be contrary and only posting on the occassional lunch period for a spell. But thanks for the kind words! --- Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote:
You should stick around as time permits.
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Well, first I'd like to say that I think it is commendable that you put your family and career first above your hobbies. It's always good to see people who in my opinion know how to keep their priorities straight. I never had a problem with any of your postings personally, though I don't always read everything on this list because I too am busy with my family and my business that I run. Most of my computer time is spent reading articles, etc. trying to keep up on the computer science field, which is a never ending task. While I am happy to use a telescope and look at things as long as it is hooked up to a computer and the computer finds the objects and automatically points the scope for me, I really admire people who can find things manually, who are into building their own telescopes, etc. Just because I don't have the time or patience for it myself doesn't mean I can't appreciate the abilities in others. So say whatever you want as far as I'm concerned. I have a strong personality as well and when you say what you think instead of walk around on eggshells you are bound to offend someone, but so what? That's how you find out who your real friends are and who is worth spending your time with. I would much rather talk to people who are honest and speak their minds, even if I don't always agree with their ideas, than people who are always trying to be PC and just say what they think someone else wants to hear. So just say what you think and let the chips fall where they may. Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote: I've decided that I'll no longer comment on motivations, reasons, or the zen of astronomy (or any subject for that matter) on the list, and will stick to the occasional fact only. It's obvious that I am out-of-touch with the "amateur astronomer" of today. I also lack the communcative skills to truly get my ideas across and am not doing the concepts any good for that reason. No one is interested in doing things the "old fashioned" way, the simple way, the hard way, and even the atm's of today are just interested in optics and machining, there is no room for craftsmanship and handwork in the hobby at large. I do like most of you quite a bit and will remain on the list, but as my thoughts and ideas are irrellevant to amateur astronomy in Utah I'll try lurking for a while. Since my postings sometimes tend to kill any list activity for a while afterwards, this will be a good thing. I will say that I admire those of you who have so much time for your hobby. I honestly can't understand how anyone with a career and a family can squeeze-in so much telescope and meeting time as some of you, without shorting the other two areas. My last gasp at hard-core atming and astronomy was five years ago and it's been a constant struggle ever since. It's been just ages since my time has been my own, and I can't even remember what it's like. Tonight I began taking down my home workshop. It's been idle for quite a while anyway, and I need the storage space to finish the third level of the house. I am returning to building WWI model airplanes so I am setting up a small modeling bench for the winter in one remote corner of the furnace room. Should be fun and won't require any drive time, good weather, or darkness. All the ATM stuff has been moved out to the garage rafters for a while, I just can't stare at it longingly anymore. Out of sight, out of mind so they say. I'm still deeply involved in school and since I got back on the list I must confess that I've lacked the self-discipline to properly apportion my time, so I'm only going to check email every few days to make studying easier. Those of you who's friendship I value most have my phone number if you need to get ahold of me in a hurry. Finally (hurrah!), please don't mistake this for an apology. I believe firmly in my ideas, and I only wish that I was better at communicating those ideas. Thanks for your time- now go out and look at that sky. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
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