22 Apr
2015
22 Apr
'15
6:31 p.m.
Rob, I will try to visit in the next couple of years. I have an uncle who lives on the big island so I could visit him as well. Thanks Don -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 4:32 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) Don You have to come back, we now operate from a site at 10,000 ft on Haleakala. Seeing is excellent to spectacular. Thanks again for your help. Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad > On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: > > Hi Siegfried, > > From Hawaii, Mizar is quite far north and I don't think it is as commonly viewed as it is here. Objects like Alpha Centauri, Omega Centauri, the Southern Cross etc. which Rob so kindly showed me when I was there are much more commonly viewed. > > Clear Skies, > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: Utah-Astronomy > [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > Siegfried Jachmann > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:32 PM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) > > You mean after all this, the star was the normal companion star to Mizar? > The companion about the same brightness as Alcor? >> On Apr 22, 2015 3:18 PM, "Rob Ratkowski" <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Don >> >> I have the Plus version so I think having the missing B companion set >> me loose. We did check on a Pro version but didn't expand the field. >> It is a curious thing as to why such a bright and important star is >> not shown on the Plus version. Thanks for helping me solve this >> mystery and showing a small problem in the app. >> >> Aloha >> Rob >> >> Sent from Rob's iPad >> >>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rob, >>> >>> My version of SkySafari Pro shows the companion if you continue to >> enlarge the image but not initially. See >> http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/m >> http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/mizar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old >> - friend03252015/ izar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend03252015/ for an >> eyepiece view at 45x close to your binos. I think the problem arose >> because you had a data source that showed a .5" separation instead of >> the correct 14". >>> >>> Clear Skies, >>> >>> Don >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] >> On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:32 PM >>> To: Utah Astronomy >>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>> >>> Hi Don >>> >>> The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not >>> shown >> on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos >> and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, >> nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! >> but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app. >>> >>> Aloha >>> Rob >>> >>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Rob, >>>> >>>> The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" >> companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. >> Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out >> this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll >> down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor. >>>> >>>> Clear Skies, >>>> >>>> Don >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM >>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>> >>>> Hi Don >>>> >>>> I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and >>>> mag >> 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as >> well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and >> SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did >> find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states >> the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was >> seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the >> binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something. >>>> >>>> Aloha >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>> >>>>> I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are >>>>> separated >> by 14". >>>>> >>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>> >>>>> Don >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM >>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>> >>>>> Hi Don >>>>> >>>>> I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also >>>>> see >> the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If >> I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but >> 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know >> what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that >> it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image >> Thursday night and post it. >>>>> The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have >>>>> the >> Losmandy AZ8 mount for them. >>>>> >>>>> Looking up, Aloha >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>> >>>>>> I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized >> binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them >> split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of >> separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. >> Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power >> splitting Mizar should be easy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>> >>>>>> Don >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM >>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Don >>>>>> >>>>>> I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close >>>>>> to >> Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at >> the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar >> was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The >> companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. >> I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under >> different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity. >>>>>> >>>>>> Aloha >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an >>>>>>> 7.9 >> magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM >> MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the >> Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect >> to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don Colton >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf >>>>>>> Of Rob Ratkowski >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM >>>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in >>>>>>> 9mm EP's >>>>>>> (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, >>>>>>> back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. >>>>>>> Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds >>>>>>> came >> in. >>>>>>> I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready >>>>>>> though seeing is about 5 tonite >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick >>>>>>>> <paw@getbeehive.net> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera >> rotated 180 degrees. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No sign of anything unusual. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bummer... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> patrick >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the >>>>>>>>> same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have >>>>>>>>> a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Aloha >>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick >>>>>>>>>> <paw@getbeehive.net> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the >>>>>>>>>> other >> list I'm on are like this one: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second >> image. >>>>>>>>>>> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >>>>>>>>>>> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >>>>>>>>>>> images. Too bad it’s not real. L >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh wel, maybe next time. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> patrick >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski >>>>>>>>>>> <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> R >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>>>>>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astro >>>>>>>> nom >>>>>>>> y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Send messages to the list to >>>>>>>> Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any >> astronomy club. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe go to: >>>>>>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astro >>>>>>>> nom y Then enter your email address in the space provided and >>>>>>>> click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> 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