WHAT IF: What if the Big Bang did not occur in an empty or non-existent Universe but in an old collapsing universe that was consolidating its black holes into a singularity of incredible gravity but before total collapse was finished the BANG occurred mixing mostly newly (re)formed and some old material in a newly forming universe? Yes what I'm proposing is a universe that repeats the cycle of Bang and collapse over and over. The energy that is propelling our universe apart at ever greater speeds may eventually dissipate and a slow collapse will begin, starting the cycle over again, however the collapse does not need to be complete, maybe a 90% collapse, for the new Universe to begin again. Just a thought. Bob -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Don J. Colton Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:28 PM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Privatization (Was: SpaceX ?Secret? Payload) The Big Bang Theory is the most generally accepted theory but it has many problems. Unfortunately consensus science seems to be more important than really questioning the current paradigm. Significant Problems with the Big Bang are as follows: 1. You have to suppose that the current laws of physics did not exist originally. 2. Inflation dramatically violates the speed of light (see one above). 3. Big Bang Theory is not a predictive theory like Einstein's Theory of Relativity. Astrophysicists continually have to patch it together when such things as acceleration of the universe, dark matter, dark energy and other nasty surprises occur. 4. The original prediction of microwave background radiation by Gamow was 50 deg. Kelvin - 17 times greater than measured. The 3 deg Kelvin microwave background radiation is explained well by Hoyle, Burbidge, Narlikar and Ratcliffe as background stellar radiation (not remnant big bang radiation). 5. The problem with the proper motion of quasars, some of which show proper motions similar to the Helix Nebula. There are various strained explanations of this phenomenon. 6. The age problem. Red Dwarfs, many globular clusters, large galaxy clusters all appear to be much older than 13 billion years. You have to invent ad hoc assumptions about early clumping etc. in the Big Bang to account for the large galaxy clusters, which under normal gravitation interactions must be at least 100 billion years old. 7. The Hubble Ultra Deep Field shows galaxies from about 13.3 billion years ago that appear very similar to nearby galaxies. The Texas A&M team that studied the Hubble Deep field concluded "After comparing them with the bluest nearby galaxies, the team concluded that, while their galaxies were fairly primitive in composition, they did not have zero metallicity, meaning that these galaxies contain stars not unlike those we see today, even though the Universe was only five percent of its current age of 13.7 billion years. This implies that they are not the first-ever galaxies formed after the Big Bang as other international teams of astronomers analyzing the same data have implied." The Hubble Ultra Deep Field also shows many large spirals and elliptical galaxies which take on the order of 10 billion years to form. Could such galaxies and stars have formed in 500 million years? Considering that large spiral galaxies take 300 million years to rotate also argues against an age of only 500 million years. 8. The idea that the whole universe was created from nothing also appears to be the kind of nonsense results Michelson and Morley got when their experiments along with Einstein overturned classical physics. As the history of science has shown, each new generation thinks they know it all. Clear Skies, Don -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of daniel turner Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Privatization (Was: SpaceX ?Secret? Payload) --- On Wed, 12/15/10, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote: It does seem the U of U Physics agrees with the
Big Bang Theory, at least thats my memory when we have had some of the Faculty speak. The grand Unified Theory has gained some ground but not enough, resolving those issue seems key to a better understanding of the Universe.
Eric: It's entirely possible that these faculty people actually know something about the subject matter. They have access to the observational data. They can't all be deluded or lying to advance an agenda. Perhaps the debate is over among the people who know the most about it. DT _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com