People, now is not the time for back-biting and blaming. Those who have been actively involved deserve our appreciation, regardless of yesterday's failure in the legislature. I personally have been an individual member of IDA for years, but I had to withold my dues last year for financial reasons (it was either them, or SLAS!) but I hope to re-up soon. I am extremely grateful for the work of the staff of Utah Skies, and everone else who has given time or money to the cause. This fight could take years, decades. The war has barely begun! We must stick together! In other cases around the country, however, astronomy is usually not mentioned up-front the way it was in our own case. Improved security and cost savings must be stressed foremost, this is what will sway the masses. Let their own wallets do the talking for us, once presented with the facts. Aesthetic reasons simply must take a back seat, as, unfortunately, must medical and environmental concerns (thanks to Jim Hansen for this attitude in Utah :P ) Talk-shows must be attended, not just the Doug-Wright type show, but the "outdoors" shows as well, armed with the facts. Hand-outs at star-parties. Newspaper ads, church bulletin ads, outdoor-oriented magazine ads. I think it was way too optimistic to expect instant results from this first pass through the legislature. The propaganda war must preceed the shooting, and I think this came up too suddenly to expect a miracle. But keep up the effort! Determination will pay-off, if not for us, for those who come after. The only nice thing about light pollution is that is is reversable, given time. Now everyone shake hands and get back to work! C. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com