Oh, you noobs make me smile sometimes. The North America nebula isn't extremely hard to find, as DSO's go, and as far as observing it, I've even seen it from SPOC, some years ago in the wee hours before dawn. That said, it does require a fair amount of darkness and even more importantly, transparent skies (no smoke or dust). It is a very large object and is best seen with either the eyes alone or a very low power binocular. The best view I've ever had was through a 3X "opera glass" bino. Also try using a pair of broadband LPR filters over your unaided eyes. On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Bob Moore <BMoore@commercecrg.com> wrote: we slasers went crazy after that with viewing wars and finding hard targets like the north American nebula etc.