Apparently Mann and others cooked the books. The Russians hacked into one of their global warming sites and found several embarrassing emails by Mann and others about the need to fix or hid data that did not agree with their position. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Taylor Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:38 AM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] OT - ClimateGate This is something I have written about numerous times, even once or twice on this board usually to rolling eyes and usual "Climate Change Denier" comments. I've always wondered why if the debate is over and science is in agreement why it is necessary to ridicule those who disagree? The debate is not over and I believe ultimately a lot of people will have to answer for years of bad science, lies and in some cases outright fraud. This is just a new crack in a crumbling argument. Bad scientific claims repeated over and over is still bad science, it doesn't matter how many people want to believe it. Science should be determined by facts not public opinion and politicians looking for a new career and source of income. The science and data is simply not lining up to support the claims of the IPCC and other like bodies and theories. As an economist I worry about the real damage that can be done by bad legislation based on bad science. Think twice, act once, this should make everyone stop and think. Bob Taylor -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dale Hooper Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:36 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] OT - ClimateGate My understanding from past list administrator statements is that this kind of post is "okay" here. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/24/the_fix_is_in_99280.htm l Hacked emails from the Climatic Research Unit (Britain's University of East Anglia) appear to implicate leading climatologists with scientific fraud. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com