Of course that was when particulate pollution was the concern. As, I recall corrective action resulted in abatement of that. With, unabated pollution perhaps they would have been right. We will never know. Also, the clean air act detractors claimed the regulations would ruin the economy, it did not.
Nothing new in this discussion, just more desperation.
My apologies.
Once agian a quick google or bing search for global cooling in the 60's and 70's will reveal a wealth of "proven scientific evidence" concerning the return of the Ice age.
Steve
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:43:14 -0700 From: erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] OT - ClimateGate
No, we had the same science. The science you are citing has nothing to do with global warming.
We had different first grade science studies. My first grade science
taught me that there are probably "millions" of galaxies that exist in the universe. There might even be a solar system in one of them that might be capable of supporting life. Further, there were nine planets in the solar system.
My father was taught in his first grade class that the universe is stagnant and not expanding or shrinking.
Which first grade science exactly are you referring to?
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:54:52 -0700 From: erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] OT - ClimateGate
My understanding is they are seeing events in Antarctica that have not occured in several hundreds of thousands of years. IE, it is beyond the natural cycle. Local cooling and warming are not inconsistent with global warming, we are in the early stages and it is much more apparent in the upper atmosphere. Where greenhouse gasses will have the greatest effect. A few frauds do not change this.
That man's activity has increased CO2 levels seems certain, and again it is grade school science that this hinders natural energy from being radiated back into space.
It is a given that many have exaggerated, both by the deniers and supporters. Still more science supports it than denys it.
The earth has always had periods of warming and cooling, and it is my
understanding that over the last 160,000 years the earth has mainly been under the control of ice except for two warming periods known as the Eemian Interglacial and the Present Interglacial. These larger cycles can be broken into periods of short cycles lasting around 400 years and then broken down to 40 years period. We see this in recent history with the Medieval Warming period and the Little Ice Age (400 year cycle example). Our current broad cycle, the Present Interglacial is about 18000 years into it so we can estimate that at sometime in the next 2000 years our planet should cool and possibly enter a new Ice Age.
So in my own opinion I believe we are seeing a period of warming and that at some point we will see (or our descendants will see) a cooling period. Bottom line, the climate of this planet changes for a variety of reasons (humans being a very small percentage of that) and we need to be aware that of its own accord it changes and we should be ready to adapt to those changes.
I like this quote the best: "Since the climate has always been changing and will likely continue of its own accord to change in the future, instead of crippling the U.S. economy in order to achieve small reductions in global warming effects due to manmade additions to atmospheric carbon dioxide, our resources may be better spent making preparations to adapt to global cooling and global warming, and the inevitable consequences of fluctuating ocean levels, temperatures, and precipitation that accompany climatic change."
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Steve FISHER <sfisher01@msn.com> wrote:
I'm just guessing but is it possible that it may be melting
because of
some kind of cycle?
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