Those, like me, who are getting tired of this thread should probably just delete this message. Nate asked for corrections and since one of his statements involves me and one of SLAS's major contributors I guess I need to reply. Point #1: The contributor Nate referred to called me when I was still working at the planetarium saying he'd taken one of my telescope making classes at the planetarium and would like to contribute to the new observatory at SPOC. Please note that he DID specify that the money go to SPOC. He DID NOT ask that it go to the Dark Sky Fund. Unfortunately, in one of the biggest blunders of my affiliation with SLAS, when I picked up the check I talked him into letting me direct it to the Dark Sky Fund. A few years later, after the Dark Sky project was getting nowhere, the donor reminded me that his original intention was to have the money go to SPOC. He even followed up with a written request that the money go to SPOC. In addition to his cash donation he also contributed an estimated $10,000 in materials to the new observatory and has very recently made an additional materials donation to the Refractor House. Point #2 The most recent offer for a dark sky site is not the one from Dwight Ball. The most recent one was posted here last week when I reported that the owner of a local ISP has several potential remote sites around the state with very dark skies, power, road access, secure concrete structures and high speed internet. I noted he's offering the land and is willing to invest serious money in return for money and expertise from those willing to buy into the project. BTW, the response to this latest offer was luke warm at best. Patrick