Well, I certainly didn't mean for a mess to happen, but here's my mop: The spriritual journey is a private one for each person and doesn't belong in a debate. Faith is belief without works, remember? Building a case is therefore meaningless except internally. Some probably try and convince themselves in such instances, subconsciously. Make the next guy believe and they suddenly have a little more reinforcement, eh? And if words don't work then the sword (and all of it's derivatives), historically, is turned to, fully sanctioned of course. But hey, lets get really annoyed if the NASA marketing people try and pitch things in a light that might make funding just a tad easier. We can take the high ground because we have it right and they have it wrong and they all must think like tabloid journalists and our logic is so damn pure and flawless and there is just no way that most of them think the sensationalism is bunk too. Besides we are so brimming with brand new ideas that no-one's pitched yet, and it's just a shame that the grants aren't flowing our way in droves. Space is kinda big to be shaking our fist on a soapbox about, don't you think? Let's look up and laugh instead, gaze in wonder and amazement. Explain it to ourselves so we think we get it, and not be bothered if the next person fills-in the details just a little bit differently. C. "I'm going to be happy if it kills me." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail