22 Apr
2015
22 Apr
'15
6:36 p.m.
All I ask is to give me a heads up. I have a job on Haleakala Summit and it makes it easy to access our site plus you get to see ATST under construction. Aloha and thanks again Rob Sent from Rob's iPad > On Apr 22, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: > > Rob, > > I will try to visit in the next couple of years. I have an uncle who lives on the big island so I could visit him as well. > > Thanks > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 4:32 PM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) > > Don > > You have to come back, we now operate from a site at 10,000 ft on Haleakala. Seeing is excellent to spectacular. Thanks again for your help. > > Aloha > Rob > > Sent from Rob's iPad > >> On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Siegfried, >> >> From Hawaii, Mizar is quite far north and I don't think it is as commonly viewed as it is here. Objects like Alpha Centauri, Omega Centauri, the Southern Cross etc. which Rob so kindly showed me when I was there are much more commonly viewed. >> >> Clear Skies, >> >> Don >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Utah-Astronomy >> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >> Siegfried Jachmann >> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:32 PM >> To: Utah Astronomy >> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >> >> You mean after all this, the star was the normal companion star to Mizar? >> The companion about the same brightness as Alcor? >>> On Apr 22, 2015 3:18 PM, "Rob Ratkowski" <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Don >>> >>> I have the Plus version so I think having the missing B companion set >>> me loose. We did check on a Pro version but didn't expand the field. >>> It is a curious thing as to why such a bright and important star is >>> not shown on the Plus version. Thanks for helping me solve this >>> mystery and showing a small problem in the app. >>> >>> Aloha >>> Rob >>> >>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Rob, >>>> >>>> My version of SkySafari Pro shows the companion if you continue to >>> enlarge the image but not initially. See >>> http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/m >>> http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/mizar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old >>> - friend03252015/ izar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend03252015/ for an >>> eyepiece view at 45x close to your binos. I think the problem arose >>> because you had a data source that showed a .5" separation instead of >>> the correct 14". >>>> >>>> Clear Skies, >>>> >>>> Don >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] >>> On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:32 PM >>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>> >>>> Hi Don >>>> >>>> The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not >>>> shown >>> on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos >>> and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, >>> nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! >>> but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app. >>>> >>>> Aloha >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>> >>>>> The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" >>> companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. >>> Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out >>> this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll >>> down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor. >>>>> >>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>> >>>>> Don >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM >>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>> >>>>> Hi Don >>>>> >>>>> I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and >>>>> mag >>> 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as >>> well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and >>> SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did >>> find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states >>> the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was >>> seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the >>> binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something. >>>>> >>>>> Aloha >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are >>>>>> separated >>> by 14". >>>>>> >>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>> >>>>>> Don >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM >>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Don >>>>>> >>>>>> I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also >>>>>> see >>> the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If >>> I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but >>> 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know >>> what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that >>> it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image >>> Thursday night and post it. >>>>>> The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have >>>>>> the >>> Losmandy AZ8 mount for them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking up, Aloha >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized >>> binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them >>> split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of >>> separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. >>> Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power >>> splitting Mizar should be easy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM >>>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Don >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close >>>>>>> to >>> Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at >>> the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar >>> was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The >>> companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. >>> I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under >>> different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aloha >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an >>>>>>>> 7.9 >>> magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM >>> MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the >>> Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect >>> to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Don Colton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Rob Ratkowski >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM >>>>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in >>>>>>>> 9mm EP's >>>>>>>> (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, >>>>>>>> back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. >>>>>>>> Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds >>>>>>>> came >>> in. >>>>>>>> I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready >>>>>>>> though seeing is about 5 tonite >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick >>>>>>>>> <paw@getbeehive.net> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera >>> rotated 180 degrees. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No sign of anything unusual. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bummer... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> patrick >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the >>>>>>>>>> same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have >>>>>>>>>> a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aloha >>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick >>>>>>>>>>> <paw@getbeehive.net> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the >>>>>>>>>>> other >>> list I'm on are like this one: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second >>> image. >>>>>>>>>>>> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >>>>>>>>>>>> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >>>>>>>>>>>> images. Too bad it’s not real. L >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh wel, maybe next time. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> patrick >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski >>>>>>>>>>>> <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> R >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astro >>>>>>>>> nom >>>>>>>>> y >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Send messages to the list to >>>>>>>>> Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any >>> astronomy club. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe go to: >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astro >>>>>>>>> nom y Then enter your email address in the space provided and >>>>>>>>> click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 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