I didn't say I didn't believe that we are adding to the issue of global warming. I believe we are but I also believe that we are in a normal cycle of warming and more importantly according to the ice cores taken from Greenland and Antarctica that we are closer to a global cool down. We may enhance that by shutting down the conveyor of the Gulf Stream in the Atlantic and usher in a major cool down. The Earth is not friendly during these cool downs, ice builds, glaciers build, deserts increase in size and there is far less arable land to grow on. Also, I would prefer to see an alternative to fossil fuels because they are limited in the amount, their use is increasing with China and India increasing their use and I don't like being linked to the Middle East or to Russia for oil. If Brazil can make major gains in an alternative fuel, so can we, and we should. Bottom line, I restate my personal belief that we should be responding to global climate change because the geological record of the earth teaches us that it is coming, be it from global warming caused by humans or be it through a natural process(es). That is my point. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
My understanding is they are seeing events in Antarctica that have not occured in several hundreds of thousands of years. IE, it is beyond the natural cycle. Local cooling and warming are not inconsistent with global warming, we are in the early stages and it is much more apparent in the upper atmosphere. Where greenhouse gasses will have the greatest effect. A few frauds do not change this.
That man's activity has increased CO2 levels seems certain, and again it is grade school science that this hinders natural energy from being radiated back into space.
It is a given that many have exaggerated, both by the deniers and supporters. Still more science supports it than denys it.
The earth has always had periods of warming and cooling, and it is my
understanding that over the last 160,000 years the earth has mainly been under the control of ice except for two warming periods known as the Eemian Interglacial and the Present Interglacial. These larger cycles can be broken into periods of short cycles lasting around 400 years and then broken down to 40 years period. We see this in recent history with the Medieval Warming period and the Little Ice Age (400 year cycle example). Our current broad cycle, the Present Interglacial is about 18000 years into it so we can estimate that at sometime in the next 2000 years our planet should cool and possibly enter a new Ice Age.
So in my own opinion I believe we are seeing a period of warming and that at some point we will see (or our descendants will see) a cooling period. Bottom line, the climate of this planet changes for a variety of reasons (humans being a very small percentage of that) and we need to be aware that of its own accord it changes and we should be ready to adapt to those changes.
I like this quote the best: "Since the climate has always been changing and will likely continue of its own accord to change in the future, instead of crippling the U.S. economy in order to achieve small reductions in global warming effects due to manmade additions to atmospheric carbon dioxide, our resources may be better spent making preparations to adapt to global cooling and global warming, and the inevitable consequences of fluctuating ocean levels, temperatures, and precipitation that accompany climatic change."
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Steve FISHER <sfisher01@msn.com> wrote:
I'm just guessing but is it possible that it may be melting because of some kind of cycle?
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:02:22 -0700 From: erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] OT - ClimateGate
Finally, the article that proves it is all a hoax. I guess the question remains why is the ice melting?
My understanding from past list administrator statements is that this kind
of post is "okay" here.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/24/the_fix_is_in_99280.htm...
Hacked emails from the Climatic Research Unit (Britain's University
of
East Anglia) appear to implicate leading climatologists with scientific fraud.
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