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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Higgs-Boson Disproves the Big Bang Theory
by Michael Wells 24 Dec '12

24 Dec '12

I thought that it was supposed to have the opposite effect? I'm interested in the answer as well. -------- Original message -------- From: M Wilson <astro_outwest(a)yahoo.com> Date: To: Utah astronomy blog <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Higgs-Boson Disproves the Big Bang Theory I was in a conversation with two others last night when the subject of the "God Particle" [Higgs-Boson] came up. Both were in unanimous agreement that its discovery blew-to-bits the Big Bang Theory. I questioned that supposition, as I haven't read any articles that made such a claim. Does anyone on this list know how these two came to that conclustion? _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Happy 13th Bak'tun
by jcarman6＠q.com 24 Dec '12

24 Dec '12

M. Wilson - points well made :) :) :) (as in many smiles) The Mayans were already in substantial decline by the time of Columbus's discovery. The Aztecs were also starting to decline. The Aztecs were to the Mayans, as the Romans were to the Greeks. The Mayans/Greeks created the culture and the Romans/Aztecs adopted it as their own. The conquistadors came for the gold and the priests burned the books (anywhere they found them). Hmm, the Vikings were a little too far north to have any influence, but ya never know :) Merry Christmas to all!

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Happy 13th Bak'tun
by jcarman6＠q.com 24 Dec '12

24 Dec '12

I'm with Watson on this - PAY UP!!! Joe, point well made :) However, the apostrophe comes from my friend the Mayan expert, so I don't think it is so much of an apostrophe as a "pronunciation" mark. :)

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Happy 13th Bak'tun
by jcarman6＠q.com 24 Dec '12

24 Dec '12

Erik, right you are. However, you need to add to that the catholic priests, who, finding a paganist, barbarick civilization, christenized them by burning all the books (codexes). The priests did such a good job that only 5 pieces of codexes remain. Brent: Damn and I just confessed I didn't pay the premium. Do you think he noticed?

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Happy 13th Bak'tun
by Joe Bauman 23 Dec '12

23 Dec '12

Everybody knows insurance companies can drop policies for the flimsiest of reasons, like a bungled apocalypse. ------------------------------ On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:24 PM MST Siegfried Jachmann wrote: >I'm going to require more proof. > > >On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > >> No, only the world had to be destroyed. It was in the old universe. Time >> to pay up! >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried(a)jachmann.org> >> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 1:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Happy 13th Bak'tun >> >> No No, You had to be destryed in order to collect. [?] >> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson(a)yahoo.com >> >wrote: >> >> > Nonsense. At 4:11 am on December 21, 2012 we seamlessly passed from an >> > old universe into the parallel universe we now inhabit. The old universe >> > ceased to exist on that date. I am afraid Mr. Jachmann will be paying >> out >> > on all of the bets - I mean policies he sold. >> > >> > I bet the Pleiades were near transit when that occurred. >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: "erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net" <erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net> >> > To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:39 AM >> > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Happy 13th Bak'tun >> > >> > > Simply, many Mayan Temples are still recording the passing of time. >> They >> > hardly predicted the end of civilization, they're civilization was wiped >> > out by the Spanish before they updated a calendar. >> > > >> > > According to the Gregorian calendar it is December 21, 2012 aka >> > > 12/21/12.Â According to the Mayan long count calendar (they had >> several) >> > > it is 13.0.0.0.0.Â It is the "seating of the 13th Bak'tun."Â Â So >> HAPPY >> > > 13th BAK'TUN! Â The Mayan long count calendar has rolled over, just as >> > > the Gregorian calender does every 365/66 days.Â H mm you could think >> of >> > > the Mayan long count calendar as a Julian calendar, the dates just go >> on >> > > and on .Â >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > It is equally important day Â because the Mayan civil calendar has also >> > > realigned.Â This calendar, similar to the long count, but of much >> > shorter >> > > durationÂ has also realigned.Â Both calendars are like wheel cogs >> > within >> > > wheel cogs and eventually, the cogs realign.Â The civil calendar takes >> > 52 >> > > years to realign and when it does, it is known as the "binding of the >> > > years."Â Â As the binding could occur more than once in a Mayan'sÂ >> life >> > > time, it too is a time of renewal and celebration.Â The night before >> the >> > > binding, all the fires throughout the city are extinquished.Â The >> > > astrologer/astronomer sky watchers watch the sky in earnest.Â Their >> > > target is the pleiadesÂ (not known by that name to them, but readily >> > > identifiable in all culturesÂ that have existed on this planet :)).Â >> > > TheÂ small distinct grouping of seven starsÂ reaches zenith.Â Â Now >> the >> > > sky watchers watch with baited breath.Â IfÂ the star grouping >> continues >> > > on into the night, toward the west (our term) then the years are >> > > indeedÂ bound andÂ their world will continue for at least another 52 >> > > years.Â Â And so they do and so it does.Â Â A sacrifice is made (yeah >> > > human - removal of the heart yada yada ) and the fires are relit.Â >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > And so it is for us, the plieades reached zenith and set in the west - >> > > once again, the yearsÂ have been bound and now the 13th Bak'tun is >> > > seated.Â Â It is a time of renewal and starting fresh.Â Hope all your >> > > "new year" resolutions (and dreams) come true. Â Â Â >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > P.S.Â Sorry, Mr. Jachmann, I won't be collecting on the policy.Â >> > > Fortunately I didn't pay the ridiculousÂ policy premium in the first >> > > place.Â ALL bets are off. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > > >> > > Send messages to the list to >> > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > > >> > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> > club. >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe go to: >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> > > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > >> > Send messages to the list to >> > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > >> > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> club. >> > >> > To unsubscribe go to: >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > >> > Send messages to the list to >> > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > >> > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> club. >> > >> > To unsubscribe go to: >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Siegfried >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > > > >-- >Siegfried >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Happy 13th Bak'tun
by Joe Bauman 23 Dec '12

23 Dec '12

Oh that's how I've seen it spelled everywhere. I was just trying to be funny. Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 3:46 PM MST jcarman6(a)q.com wrote: > > >I'm with Watson on this - PAY UP!!! > > > >Joe, point well made :) However, the apostrophe comes from my friend the Mayan expert, so I don't think it is so much of an apostrophe as a "pronunciation" mark. :) > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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More free astro ebooks...
by Daniel Holmes 23 Dec '12

23 Dec '12

Hubble and the James Webb scope are subjects of two free ebooks put out by NASA: http://www.andromedachild.com/2012/12/free-nasa-astronomy-e-book-for-every.… They are best with an iBooks capable reader (something with a fruit on it), but there are PDFs for everyone else. Dan -- Daniel Holmes, danielh(a)holmesonics.com "Laugh while you can, monkey boy!" -- Lord John Whorfin

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Happy 13th Bak'tun
by Joe Bauman 23 Dec '12

23 Dec '12

These ancient Mayans were amazing. Not only did they create a 5,000-plus-year calender, including end-of-the-world indicator, but they had such a complex alphabet that they used apostrophes. Happy new Bak'tun indeed! ------------------------------ On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 1:49 PM MST Siegfried Jachmann wrote: >No No, You had to be destryed in order to collect. [?] > >On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > >> Nonsense. At 4:11 am on December 21, 2012 we seamlessly passed from an >> old universe into the parallel universe we now inhabit. The old universe >> ceased to exist on that date. I am afraid Mr. Jachmann will be paying out >> on all of the bets - I mean policies he sold. >> >> I bet the Pleiades were near transit when that occurred. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net" <erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net> >> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Happy 13th Bak'tun >> >> > Simply, many Mayan Temples are still recording the passing of time. They >> hardly predicted the end of civilization, they're civilization was wiped >> out by the Spanish before they updated a calendar. >> > >> > According to the Gregorian calendar it is December 21, 2012 aka >> > 12/21/12.Â According to the Mayan long count calendar (they had several) >> > it is 13.0.0.0.0.Â It is the "seating of the 13th Bak'tun."Â Â So HAPPY >> > 13th BAK'TUN! Â The Mayan long count calendar has rolled over, just as >> > the Gregorian calender does every 365/66 days.Â H mm you could think of >> > the Mayan long count calendar as a Julian calendar, the dates just go on >> > and on .Â >> > >> > >> > >> > It is equally important day Â because the Mayan civil calendar has also >> > realigned.Â This calendar, similar to the long count, but of much >> shorter >> > durationÂ has also realigned.Â Both calendars are like wheel cogs >> within >> > wheel cogs and eventually, the cogs realign.Â The civil calendar takes >> 52 >> > years to realign and when it does, it is known as the "binding of the >> > years."Â Â As the binding could occur more than once in a Mayan'sÂ life >> > time, it too is a time of renewal and celebration.Â The night before the >> > binding, all the fires throughout the city are extinquished.Â The >> > astrologer/astronomer sky watchers watch the sky in earnest.Â Their >> > target is the pleiadesÂ (not known by that name to them, but readily >> > identifiable in all culturesÂ that have existed on this planet :)).Â >> > TheÂ small distinct grouping of seven starsÂ reaches zenith.Â Â Now the >> > sky watchers watch with baited breath.Â IfÂ the star grouping continues >> > on into the night, toward the west (our term) then the years are >> > indeedÂ bound andÂ their world will continue for at least another 52 >> > years.Â Â And so they do and so it does.Â Â A sacrifice is made (yeah >> > human - removal of the heart yada yada ) and the fires are relit.Â >> > >> > >> > >> > And so it is for us, the plieades reached zenith and set in the west - >> > once again, the yearsÂ have been bound and now the 13th Bak'tun is >> > seated.Â Â It is a time of renewal and starting fresh.Â Hope all your >> > "new year" resolutions (and dreams) come true. Â Â Â >> > >> > >> > >> > P.S.Â Sorry, Mr. Jachmann, I won't be collecting on the policy.Â >> > Fortunately I didn't pay the ridiculousÂ policy premium in the first >> > place.Â ALL bets are off. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > >> > Send messages to the list to >> > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > >> > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> club. >> > >> > To unsubscribe go to: >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > > > >-- >Siegfried

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Happy 13th Bak'tun
by Joe Bauman 22 Dec '12

22 Dec '12

Why couldn't the Mayans have found a better parallel universe for us? ------------------------------ On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 9:13 PM MST Brent Watson wrote: >Nonsense. At 4:11 am on December 21, 2012 we seamlessly passed from an old universe into the parallel universe we now inhabit. The old universe ceased to exist on that date. I am afraid Mr. Jachmann will be paying out on all of the bets - I mean policies he sold. > >I bet the Pleiades were near transit when that occurred. > > >________________________________ > From: "erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net" <erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net> >To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:39 AM >Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Happy 13th Bak'tun > >> Simply, many Mayan Temples are still recording the passing of time. They >hardly predicted the end of civilization, they're civilization was wiped >out by the Spanish before they updated a calendar. >> >> According to the Gregorian calendar it is December 21, 2012 aka >> 12/21/12.Â According to the Mayan long count calendar (they had several) >> it is 13.0.0.0.0.Â It is the "seating of the 13th Bak'tun."Â Â So HAPPY >> 13th BAK'TUN! Â The Mayan long count calendar has rolled over, just as >> the Gregorian calender does every 365/66 days.Â H mm you could think of >> the Mayan long count calendar as a Julian calendar, the dates just go on >> and on .Â >> >> >> >> It is equally important day Â because the Mayan civil calendar has also >> realigned.Â This calendar, similar to the long count, but of much shorter >> durationÂ has also realigned.Â Both calendars are like wheel cogs within >> wheel cogs and eventually, the cogs realign.Â The civil calendar takes 52 >> years to realign and when it does, it is known as the "binding of the >> years."Â Â As the binding could occur more than once in a Mayan'sÂ life >> time, it too is a time of renewal and celebration.Â The night before the >> binding, all the fires throughout the city are extinquished.Â The >> astrologer/astronomer sky watchers watch the sky in earnest.Â Their >> target is the pleiadesÂ (not known by that name to them, but readily >> identifiable in all culturesÂ that have existed on this planet :)).Â >> TheÂ small distinct grouping of seven starsÂ reaches zenith.Â Â Now the >> sky watchers watch with baited breath.Â IfÂ the star grouping continues >> on into the night, toward the west (our term) then the years are >> indeedÂ bound andÂ their world will continue for at least another 52 >> years.Â Â And so they do and so it does.Â Â A sacrifice is made (yeah >> human - removal of the heart yada yada ) and the fires are relit.Â >> >> >> >> And so it is for us, the plieades reached zenith and set in the west - >> once again, the yearsÂ have been bound and now the 13th Bak'tun is >> seated.Â Â It is a time of renewal and starting fresh.Â Hope all your >> "new year" resolutions (and dreams) come true. Â Â Â >> >> >> >> P.S.Â Sorry, Mr. Jachmann, I won't be collecting on the policy.Â >> Fortunately I didn't pay the ridiculousÂ policy premium in the first >> place.Â ALL bets are off. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". > > > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Had a blast tonight
by Michael Wells 21 Dec '12

21 Dec '12

Just wanted to tell everyone that I had a great time tonight. It was nice getting to put faces together with the names I've been seeing attached to the emails. Also, thanks to everyone who had tips and helped out, I feel much more confident taking my kids out now and seting up the scope for them. See you guys next time, Mike Wells

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