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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: camping
by Dale Hooper 12 Oct '04

12 Oct '04

Well, until we enter utopia where we all drive cars outfitted with "Mr. Fusion", the petroleum has to come from somewhere. I realize that no one wants to have it imported, no one wants it drilled near them and no one wants to have it drilled for anywhere in this country. But, it has to come from somewhere. BTW, so-called wind power proponents don't want wind farms around Nantucket either - now who do you suppose lives there? > -----Original Message----- > From: > utah-astronomy-bounces+dale.hooper=sdl.usu.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+dale.hooper=sdl.usu.edu@mailman > .xmission. > com]On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:48 AM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Re: camping > > > Joe Bauman wrote: > > > > PS: Another thing that was really annoying about my trip to > Island in > > the Sky this year is that while the public is forbidden from driving > > off the beaten track or camping anywhere other than that awful > > designated spot, in the same vicinity there were oil rigs and > > clusters of buildings, trucks and drilling gear. -- Joe > > Isn't that an example of what the "equal use" movement is > pushing for? Maybe > you should have put a Halliburton sign on your car and you > could parked wherever > you wanted... > > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com > >

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Re: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Wedge Map
by astrodeb＠charter.net 12 Oct '04

12 Oct '04

How far is Price from the Wedge? I'd rather stay at a Holiday Inn Express rather than camp. Debbie > From: Josephine Grahn <bsi(a)xmission.com> > Date: 2004/10/12 Tue AM 07:14:49 GMT > To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Wedge Map > > While I have not been to the Wedge since Spring, I do recall that there was > a big "No camping beyond this fence" sign on the wooden fence, but, where > we traditionally camp there were those little "picture of a tent" on metal > post signs. There were also the "picture of a tent with a circle and a > slash" on a metal post in some other places. When the Sheriff came > through, he had no problem with where we were camped, although he did hang > around and question us a bit after he saw the pirate flag. Apparently he > decided we were harmless. (Of course , he did not see us at night with our > eyepatches, cannons and bandoleers of eyepieces, or he might have thought > differently :)) > > Mind you, it does not look like we will be able to go this weekend, so I > won't be there to catch the wrath if the little signs are outdated and not > valid. On that note, Brent, how fresh did the snow at Wolf Creek look? And > how much was there? We may be able to sneak away Thursday or Friday night > for a few hours > > By the way, I think Guy is enjoying life way too much, and should probably > be reported to...to... to Someone! > > Jo Grahn > > At 09:09 PM 10/11/2004 -0600, you wrote: > >I've preferred camping west beyond the rail fence, where we used to camp > as a group. However, the pit toilet isn't as close and one might get busted > by the BLM for camping there. The designated camp sites aren't too bad - > just not as close to the rim, and of course the neighbors are unpredictable. > > > >Kim Hyatt Architect > >1849 East 1300 South > >Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 > >801.631.5228 > >kimharch(a)msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> > > > >serius est quam cogitas > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com >

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The Wedge? Don't forget the Kevlar
by diveboss＠xmission.com 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

In an effort to keep as many of you as safe as possible, here is my Public Service Announcement for folks going to the Wedge: Folks going to the Wedge this weekend should be advised that the Utah General Elk Hunt is underway which includes the Wedge and surrounding areas. If you venture out and about on foot, you might want to wear the "in vogue" fall colors of Blaze Orange. In the unlikely event you decide not to wear the color, remember, apply direct pressure to stop bleeding, and the revised CPR rate is now a whopping 100 chest compressions per minute with 2 breasts after every 15 compressions (single rescuer), or, 1 breath every 5 compressions (two person rescuer). ;) P.S. First thing when arriving at camp, always check your cell phone to make sure you have service. Remember, have fun and duck often. ;) Guy

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Wedge space
by Michael Carnes 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

Given that the campsite area at the Wedge is fairly small, does anyone know if there are likely to be hunters camping there this weekend? I'd hate to run into demand exceeding supply. Michael

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Cleveland-Lloyd
by Kim Hyatt 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

I give up. Don't know why MSN screws up the web address when I try to include a link. Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228 kimharch(a)msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> serius est quam cogitas

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Spaceship One hype
by Chuck Hards 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Neat accomplishment, but the claims of NASA "shaking in their boots" are plain old hype and premature by decades. The technology and hardware for the private sector to do this has existed since WW2. This probably could have been done much more cheaply had Rutan purchased military surplus equipment, but I suppose there's no fun in that. And remember it took over $20 million to win $10 million. The trumpeting is due to this being a private sector accomplishment, purely and simply. No technological barriers have been broken, nothing new has happened. It will be decades, at least, before the private sector has any "heavy" lifting ability, all but the youngest among us will be long dead. And remember that they haven't even made orbit yet. This was one small step, (which some of us believe is already decades overdue), and really just a footnote, not the major milestone that the press is pushing. Let's not wave flags and get all weepy just because some of us love anything with a rocket motor, fins, and American flag on it. The world really isn't rose-colored. Your wet-blanket editorialist (realist). _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

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Gravel Quarry on Friday Night - Report
by Robert Taylor 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

We had three people go up to the Gravel Quarry on Friday night to take advantage of the totally clear skies. Tom Watson, Mike Bailey, and myself participated. Overall a pretty good night; the usual clouds hanging over Salt Lake acting like a big fluorescent light keeping the viewing to the west marginal. They eventually cleared of around 10pm. Viewing to north, around through the east and to the south were all in good shape, there were some great views. We were visited by many very bright meteors; some were more like small fireballs, sorry we didn't count but I'd estimate about a dozen very bright ones. Generally they were coming from the north but they showed-up from multiple directions, as if they were coming straight down on us. Orion was terrific when it started coming up a little after mid-night. The wind picked up later in the evening, the seeing deteriorated a bit around 11pm and we called it night around 2am; a little while before the moon came up. Next week we're thinking of attempting the Wedge or somewhere else further south. The moon will set early leaving a long dark night for one more fling before the cold weather really settles in, anyone else heading south next week-end? Bob Taylor

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Spaceship One hype
by Debbie 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

Maybe his wife told him she'd divorce him if he went up again. Debbie > [Original Message] > From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards(a)yahoo.com> > To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: 10/9/2004 2:28:12 PM > Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Spaceship One hype > > Hi Debbie, I had to chuckle when the first pilot > declined to repeat after that flight. He said "I'm > too old for this stuff" or something like that! Kind > of makes you wonder when the test pilot swears-off the > ship, doesn't it? And I don't think he is old enough > to qualify for Social Security yet! > > --- Debbie <astrodeb(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > That flight last week looked very dangerous. > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com

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20x70mm binos
by Chuck Hards 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

The more I use these, the more I like them. Not more than the 15x70mm units, but they certainly complement each other. The 20x mag. is better for smaller objects such as most planetaries, and galaxies once you drift beyond the Messiers. Correction, I like them better for the moon and sun, where more detail is instantly apparent. Sportsmans Guide still lists them at under $90. Hopefully this will take you to their catalog page: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=141931 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Spaceship One hype
by Debbie 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

That flight last week looked very dangerous. I wasn't even sure the pilot was going to pull out of that spin. They are a long way from taking tourists into space. I agree with Chuck. Debbie > [Original Message] > From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards(a)yahoo.com> > To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: 10/9/2004 11:56:59 AM > Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Spaceship One hype s > > Some of the folks I know in the "industry" (admittedly > far fewer than Patrick) feel that the number of > weatlthy tourists & enthusiasts paying "big bucks" > will not last that long and dry up rather quickly, > (especially after the first accident that kills > someone, which WILL happen, unfortunately) so the > tourism thing is definitely not an industry sustainer > for long. A huge infrastructure will be needed, and > tickets priced closer to commercial airline rates will > be needed for that, and a more cost-effective > alternative to chemical rockets will be needed for > that. Distant-future scenario. For now Patrick will > still have to sell his house for his ticket. > > The "shaking in their boots" quote was taken from a > story on the AOL home page I subscribe to, and > although I can't recall exactly, it was either Rutan > himself or a member of his staff that said it, > possibly one of the pilots. I did notice that Rutan > said he needed to focus his "talents" in a certain > direction...so apparently he agrees with our opinion > of him. What a guy. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com

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