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Re: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Tooele racetrack
by astrodeb＠charter.net 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

They are notorious for lighting up the sky. That Walmart distribution center near St. George lights up the sky like a Christmas tree. I can see the glow from LaVerkin, UT Debbie > > From: Jim Gibson <jimgibson00(a)yahoo.com> > Date: 2004/12/13 Mon PM 02:43:51 MST > To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Tooele racetrack > > > Wall*Mart is planning a big warehouse north west of Grantsville with an estimated 600 truchks coming and going per day at startup. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com >

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Re: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Geminid meteor shower
by astrodeb＠charter.net 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

Joe, 2am according to Sky and Telescope. Debbie > From: Joe Bauman <bau(a)desnews.com> > Date: 2004/12/13 Mon AM 10:26:05 MST > To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Geminid meteor shower > > Deb, Do you recall when the peak should be? Thanks, Joe > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com >

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Re: Geminids
by Chuck Hards 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

Wow, now THREE digests in one day! The list is smoking! In over 35 years, I've never noticed the Geminids to have a sharp peak. In fact it's one of the longest-lasting showers that I can think of. Good views days before and after any predicted "peak", which must be fairly "soft" if there at all. Usually big and bright, colored yellow to green. Never fails to please even from the suburbs, as Joe Borgione noted. Last night I saw what I thought was shower member, it aligned perfectly with the radiant, but something was wrong...then it hit me that it was moving TOWARD the radiant, so it must have been a sporadic. Then it clouded up and I went to bed. Joe, my Brunton 20x70's are waterproof....maybe it's time to build the "spa-llelogram".... ;) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Tooele racetrack
by Olhomorto＠aol.com 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

Now, there's a comment I can get behind whole heartedly ! I, too, fully appreciate the importance of publicity for the society, and public support for our cause, but in my selfish way, I would like to enjoy an official dark site before I'm dead. Mike Bailey

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Re: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Tooele racetrack
by astrodeb＠charter.net 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

There is one thing you guys haven't considered in building a raceway and that is the lifestyle of the racing fans. You really think that we can have a raceway without beer being served? The state would have to change the liquor laws in order to accomodate the racing fans. Just look at the 2002 Olympics as an example. They had to bend the liquor laws to accomodate the people. I don't think you guys have anything to worry about because all of the major speedways serve some sort of alchohol. It would be like going to a football game without beer. The fans wouldn't stand for it and I think the racing fans are just like the football fans. I don't think they are going to change anytime soon. Debbie > > From: ziggy943(a)xmission.com > Date: 2004/12/13 Mon PM 01:46:57 MST > To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Tooele racetrack > > > <<"Perhaps a little activism might not be out-of-hand in this instance.">> > > We should find out all of the details we can. Will there be public > discolsure of the detail plans? When? Will there be an opportunity for > public input. I agree with the idea that we should be involved and get as > much ahead of this as we can. > > Any volunbteers for a committee? > > Siegfried > > > Quoting Chuck Hards <chuckhards(a)yahoo.com>: > > > Some people I've spoken to seem to feel that the > > racing itself shouldn't pose too much of a problem, > > most events will be over before midnight, but Guy made > > a good point about the traffic going home, also the > > facility will be used for concerts and other events on > > non-race nights and these events may cause the biggest > > problems from a light pollution standpoint because > > individually they are "one-time only" events and can > > more easily get a variance or waiver for the event. > > >From experience I've found that full-cut-off shielding > > has a marginal effect when the source is massive and > > very close. Also paved surfaces reflect much more > > than turf or planted ground. Perhaps a little > > activism might not be out-of-hand in this instance. > > > > > From: diveboss(a)xmission.com > > > To: Utah Astronomy > > > <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:29:43 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Tooele racetrack > > > > > > I don't think the 'light pollution ordinance' will > > > have any effect on the > > > glare from all the traffic. Not to mention all the > > > dust in the atmosphere. > > > Maybe now would be a good time to drop him a note to > > > let him know that > > > there is an observatory in the area and what effect > > > the proposed plan might > > > have on it's operation. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com >

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Geminid meteor shower
by astrodeb＠charter.net 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

Tonight is the peak for the Geminid meteor shower. From what I saw Saturday night, it should be a good one. I saw anywhere from 30-40 Saturday night. The meteors were just shooting across the sky while we were imaging with my DSLR camera. One meteor looked like a roman candle as it headed south and lingered like a firework. And this was before midnight. I'm hoping for an even better show tonight. Debbie

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Ebony Star
by Chuck Hards 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

Ive had several queries about Ebony Star lately. It is a Wilsonart product, not Formica brand. Product #4552, it comes in about a dozen formulations (post-forming, chemical resistance, etc.) but the "standard" product is what we as ATMs are after. It comes in 3, 4, and 5-foot widths in lengths of 8, 10, & 12 feet. If there is enough interest, I'll buy a sheet if others buy at least 1/2. I think the 3-foot width is fine for our use, but there might be less waste with a 4-foot wide sheet. I have cutting and trimming capabilities. My cost from our supplier is $1.44 per square foot, regardless of sheet size purchased. There will be 5% handling fee, but no sales tax, so add 7 cents per square foot. Let me know if you want to buy-in on a sheet, and how much you'll need, before the end of the year. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Re: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Geminid meteor shower
by astrodeb＠charter.net 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

Now that is the way to view meteors in Dec. Soak in a hot tube all night and look up! Very good idea indeed. Debbie > > From: Joe Borgione <jborgion(a)yahoo.com> > Date: 2004/12/13 Mon AM 10:37:52 MST > To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Geminid meteor shower > > I was up at about 5:00 am this morning (12-13) taking a soak in my hot tub, and saw quite a number of them as well, probably a half dozen or so in 15-20 minutes, in suburban-light polluted skies. All were real attention getters. Also saw what I think was the ISS passing by from south to north along the eastern sky, but haven't looked at a tracking program for a while to confirm it; large, very bright satellite-like object. > > Joe Borgione > > astrodeb(a)charter.net wrote: > Tonight is the peak for the Geminid meteor shower. From what I saw Saturday night, it should be a good one. I saw anywhere from 30-40 Saturday night. The meteors were just shooting across the sky while we were imaging with my DSLR camera. One meteor looked like a roman candle as it headed south and lingered like a firework. And this was before midnight. I'm hoping for an even better show tonight. > > Debbie > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com >

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Re: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Comet Machholtz
by astrodeb＠charter.net 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

I detected a slight tail in my 30sec images of the comet. I'll be able so see it better once I get the images downloaded to my computer. The nucleus was also interesting in the 25" Obsession. Debbie > > From: "David Dunn" <david.dunn(a)albertsons.com> > Date: 2004/12/13 Mon AM 07:15:15 MST > To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Comet Machholtz > > I went out at about 10pm Saturday night and took a look thru my 10 X > 50mm binoculars. Orion was real high and there was no obscuring clouds > or glow. The comet looked really large. I haven't seen Omega Centauri > but is did look bigger that M22 does in a telescope. When I first > started looking at it I thought I saw a tail headed up and left, towards > Orion. Has anyone else seen a tail or heard of anyone reporting seeing > the tail. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: > utah-astronomy-bounces+david.dunn=albertsons.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+david.dunn=albertsons.com@mailman.xmissio > n.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 1:20 AM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Comet Machholtz > > > astrodeb(a)charter.net wrote: > > > > ...Anyway, I found this big, bright round fuzzy object about > > the size of Omega Centauri. I'm not kidding, this thing is big. > > It was bigger and brighter than I had expected to see it. I > > thought "wow, this thing is going to only get brighter next > > month". I couldn't detect a tail but I'm thinking I should > > go east of town next time to a truly dark site and take some > > photos of this comet. It did not disappoint me. It is going > > northward more each night and the show will get better from now on. > > > > Debbie > > I just had a go at the comet here in Stansbury. Debbie was right. > > I started with naked eye but some thin clouds to the south hid the comet > from view. However, with cheap 7x35 binoculars it was very easy to see, > despite the clouds. > > If it's this good now I can only drool at the thoughts of what it might > be like at its brightest. > > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com >

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Tooele racetrack
by Michael Carnes 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

It's also worth mentioning that operations with a lot of money behind them have a long history of 'forgetting' lighting ordinances until it's too late. Then they whimper about unfair expense and anti-business environments. In the end, most local councils buckle under the pressure. Take a look at Larry Miller's automobile businesses some night and you'll get the idea.

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