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Re: [Utah-astronomy] nice publicity
by Joe Bauman 01 Apr '13

01 Apr '13

Re. "Michell's" -- I surrender. The spelling incorrector has won. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:02 PM MDT Joe Bauman wrote: > >Hi All, Michell's Powell listed this nice listing on the Internet. -- Joe > > http://www.enjoyutah.org/2013/04/free-star-parties.html?m=1 > > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] New Image - M82 and Jets - Homemade Astrograph
by Joe Bauman 01 Apr '13

01 Apr '13

Auto-incorrected again! I meant to say "not something." -- Joe ------------------------------ On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:15 PM MDT Tyler Allred wrote: > > > > >Hi all. > >I just posted a new image on my website. It is M82 with the hydrogen alpha >jets. It looks like an exploding cigar! > >If you are interested, take a look at the link below... > > > >http://www.allred-astro.com//viewer.php?id=117 ><http://www.allred-astro.com/viewer.php?id=117&cat=1&sub=98> &cat=1&sub=98 > > > >Cheers, > >Tyler > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Fw: Question: Is there anyone in Utah that has gotten good results for Jupiter with the Celestron NexImage5 ?
by Richard Tenney 01 Apr '13

01 Apr '13

This got sent to "utah-astronomy-owner" instead of the list (why it's being forwarded). Make sure the OP is in the TO: line of any responses. Thanks! /R ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Robert Morstadt <morstadt(a)brigham.net> To: utah-astronomy-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 1:05 PM Subject: Question: Is there anyone in Utah that has gotten good results for Jupiter with the Celestron NexImage5 ? Is there anyone in Utah that has gotten good results for Jupiter with the Celestron NexImage5 device? I have seen results claimed for the NexImage5 that are much better than what I have. The Celestron staff help is very brief and basic. Thanks, Bob Morstadt Brigham City

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FW: Re: Cloudy
by Joe Bauman 01 Apr '13

01 Apr '13

This is nuts. I just tried to correct my comment -- so that it says hates and not hares -- but the autochecker changed it again. This time it's right. ----Forwarded Message---- From: josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sun, Mar 31, 2013 5:59 PM MDT Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cloudy Oops, hares not hares. ------------------------------ On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 3:16 PM MDT Joe Bauman wrote: > > > >She is just extremely shy, a bit afraid of crowds, and hares drawing attention. Knowing her I suspect it would be much more scary if she were being taped. Thanks, Joe > >------------------------------ >On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 2:52 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: > > Geez Joe, I was relaying what I recalled about the survey done. I assure >you there was a survey, I stuffed, addressed and stamped the envelopes. >I have no problem with the speakers we are getting, it was the >membership that expressed otherwise, and a few years ago. The court of >law comment was to relay the sentiment that recording a speaker at >meeting is no big deal. It has happened before. > >Cory was afraid to ask a question without a recording going on. Right? So >was it because of the speaker or the SLAS crowd? > >Erik > I won't argue anymore on such a goofy topic. No, I'm not angry. But I am > annoyed when someone attacks my feelings by saying, direct quote, "It > seems a little like Joe thinks SLAS meetings are a court of law." That's > an absurd mischaracterization of what I said. I said people would be > uncomfortable with being videotaped. Sorry that this causes you to take > such umbrage, Erik. Exactly what statement was critical of Rodger and the > job he has done? What about this statement? "... but people are more > comfortable asking questions of peers and less expert speakers." Or this, > "The fact remains we used to have more participation in club > presentations." That isn't criticism? Now I won't immitate your rhetorical > silliness by repeatedly calling you Sir, but I do wish you would respect > my right as a club member to express my opinion. And I wish you would > understand what you are saying. You came down on me in a pretty sharp > retort when I expressed my feelings about > the discomfort I and others would feel about videotaping, then somehow > shoehorned that into strange criticisms of the speakers program that > Rodger works on, then throw a bunch of "Sirs" at me and say I have an > anger problem.....O -- Kay, if that's the way you see it. I won't respond > again. -- Joe > > ------------------------------ > On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:11 AM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: > > And exactly what statement was critical of Roger and the job he has >done? You have an anger problem sir. This is the exact problem I am >talking about, a member makes an observation and a board member gets >angry. Represent your membership sir! I have served on the board 8 >times. How many times have you? The fact remains we used to have more >member participation in club presentations. > >The survey was done by Bob Moore as I recall. > > When was that survey? I don't remember any such survey. Maybe you > should > run for president, Erik. Personally, I think Rodger is performing > splendidly in the jobs he was elected to do, inclulding arranging > speakers. It's easy to criticize the work others do. -- Joe > > ------------------------------ > On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 4:53 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: > > Seems there was a survey. People stated they were uncomfortable with > the >expert speakers we had at meetings and wished for more lay >presentations. They were intimidated by the quality of our speakers and >are more comfortable with lay speakers. The atmosphere may not be as >casual as you perceive it to be, putting aside some outbursts in past >meetings and board meetings. > >To be clear, Roger and past presidents have gotten and continue to get >good interesting speakers but people are more comfortable asking > questions >of peers and less expert speakers. Some speakers have a more interactive >approach and invite questions others prefer to field questions after. > The >former may not be a good type to record, the speaker is probably the > best >judge of that. Speakers that do extended the invitation generally are >engaging people who naturally put people at ease. I really don't see how > a >camera trained on the speaker changes that. > >SLAS had a what seemed like a tradition that got lost. We used to have >each board member be responsible for one meetings speaker and content. >That did mix things up a little more, but I certainly would utilize the >great speakers we get from USU, Weber, and the U of U. Guess I should >mention BYU. > >Erik > > > >I > > > Would you stop the videotaping whenever someone in audience follows up > on > the speaker's invitation and asks a question? > > ------------------------------ > On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:22 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: > > I hardly think we should or would record everything. I made a comment >you don't understand, and you made one I don't. Get some empathy >yourself, I saw no difference in SLAS meetings that the speaker was >recorded. > >Erik > > My point is not remotely related to the issues of courtroom cameras. > It > was simply that the casual atmosphere we enjoy at club meetings would > be > chilled if someone were recording everything. I doubt I am the only > member > who would be hesitant to ask the speaker a question if it were > videotaped. > I might need help to understand something that is obvious to everyone > else, but not want to look like a fool on some video. I know when Cory > has > a question I often need to urge her to put up her hand because she is > shy. > Why that situation is hard for you to understand mystified me. Don't > pull > courtroom cameras into the discussion, just try a little empathy. -- > Joe > > > > ------------------------------ > On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 8:48 AM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: > > You're right Joe, I do not understand your comment. I've been recorded >during presentations and it felt no different than not being recorded. >You know the material or you don't. What is the phrase? There are no >stupid questions, only stupid answers. I think the biggest issue was > the >cost of the equipment and storing the recordings. > > HUH? Like a court of law? Man, what an amazing misintrepation of my > comment! > > > > ------------------------------ > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:26 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: > >It sounds a little like Joe thinks SLAS meetings are a court of law, I >doubt recording changes anything. It has been discussed before, buying >the equipment etc..... but never gets off the ground. >They're have been meetings worth recording. Recording would leave > little >doubt about intellectual property. > > > > I certainly understand that point-of-view, Joe. It also requires a > level > of committment that may be hard to stick with in the long run. > Although > that solar lecture would have been a very good one to archive. > How would you feel if someone recorded a meeting on their own, with > the > speaker's permission? Is SLAS permission needed? > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > I would be uncomfortable with that level of scrutiny. Every time > someone > made a joke or asked a dumb question, it would be recorded. I prefer > not > to > do video on a regular basis, but to keep our club casual. If we have a > notable speaker from out-of-town, who would be getting a fee of some > kind, > that might be worth recording -- if the speaker agrees. 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Re: [Utah-astronomy] The sun 3-30-2013
by Joe Bauman 31 Mar '13

31 Mar '13

Why thank you, Dan! I'm as honored as I'd come across a mile-high statue of myself! ------------------------------ On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 6:51 PM MDT Daniel Holmes wrote: >Joe knows where his towel is...my hat is off to you, you hoopy frood. > >Dan > >-- >Sent from an iPad. There should be less mispelings, but more errors. > >On Mar 31, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> DON'T PANIC >> On Mar 31, 2013 6:07 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> It works for the Bug Blatter Beast. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 5:56 PM MDT Chuck Hards wrote: >> >>> Ah, the old "You can't see me 'cause I have my eyes closed" argument. >>> On Mar 31, 2013 5:51 PM, "Daniel Holmes" <danielh(a)holmesonics.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Sure it does. If you are covered by a cloth so people can't see you >> using >>> a binoviewer, then people can't point out that your pupils are too >> small to >>> make it easy. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my iPhone. Please pardon any mispelings or errors. >>> >>> On Mar 31, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> You guys understand that glare reduction and shading the observer has >>>> nothing to do with the difficulties of using a binoviewer in daylight, >>>> right? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>>> >>>> Send messages to the list to >>>> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> >>>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >>> club. >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe go to: >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>>> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >>> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> >>> Send messages to the list to >>> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> club. >>> >>> To unsubscribe go to: >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >>> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> >>> Send messages to the list to >>> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >>> >>> To unsubscribe go to: >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club.. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] The sun 3-30-2013
by Joe Bauman 31 Mar '13

31 Mar '13

It works for the Bug Blatter Beast. ------------------------------ On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 5:56 PM MDT Chuck Hards wrote: >Ah, the old "You can't see me 'cause I have my eyes closed" argument. > On Mar 31, 2013 5:51 PM, "Daniel Holmes" <danielh(a)holmesonics.com> wrote: > >> Sure it does. If you are covered by a cloth so people can't see you using >> a binoviewer, then people can't point out that your pupils are too small to >> make it easy. >> >> Dan >> >> -- >> Sent from my iPhone. Please pardon any mispelings or errors. >> >> On Mar 31, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > You guys understand that glare reduction and shading the observer has >> > nothing to do with the difficulties of using a binoviewer in daylight, >> > right? >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > >> > Send messages to the list to >> > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > >> > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> club. >> > >> > To unsubscribe go to: >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cloudy
by Joe Bauman 31 Mar '13

31 Mar '13

Oops, hares not hares. ------------------------------ On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 3:16 PM MDT Joe Bauman wrote: > > > >She is just extremely shy, a bit afraid of crowds, and hares drawing attention. Knowing her I suspect it would be much more scary if she were being taped. Thanks, Joe > >------------------------------ >On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 2:52 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: > >> Geez Joe, I was relaying what I recalled about the survey done. I assure >>you there was a survey, I stuffed, addressed and stamped the envelopes. >>I have no problem with the speakers we are getting, it was the >>membership that expressed otherwise, and a few years ago. The court of >>law comment was to relay the sentiment that recording a speaker at >>meeting is no big deal. It has happened before. >> >>Cory was afraid to ask a question without a recording going on. Right? So >>was it because of the speaker or the SLAS crowd? >> >>Erik >> I won't argue anymore on such a goofy topic. No, I'm not angry. But I am >> annoyed when someone attacks my feelings by saying, direct quote, "It >> seems a little like Joe thinks SLAS meetings are a court of law." That's >> an absurd mischaracterization of what I said. I said people would be >> uncomfortable with being videotaped. Sorry that this causes you to take >> such umbrage, Erik. Exactly what statement was critical of Rodger and the >> job he has done? What about this statement? "... but people are more >> comfortable asking questions of peers and less expert speakers." Or this, >> "The fact remains we used to have more participation in club >> presentations." That isn't criticism? Now I won't immitate your rhetorical >> silliness by repeatedly calling you Sir, but I do wish you would respect >> my right as a club member to express my opinion. And I wish you would >> understand what you are saying. You came down on me in a pretty sharp >> retort when I expressed my feelings about >> the discomfort I and others would feel about videotaping, then somehow >> shoehorned that into strange criticisms of the speakers program that >> Rodger works on, then throw a bunch of "Sirs" at me and say I have an >> anger problem.....O -- Kay, if that's the way you see it. I won't respond >> again. -- Joe >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:11 AM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >> >>> And exactly what statement was critical of Roger and the job he has >>done? You have an anger problem sir. This is the exact problem I am >>talking about, a member makes an observation and a board member gets >>angry. Represent your membership sir! I have served on the board 8 >>times. How many times have you? The fact remains we used to have more >>member participation in club presentations. >> >>The survey was done by Bob Moore as I recall. >>> >>> When was that survey? I don't remember any such survey. Maybe you >>> should >>> run for president, Erik. Personally, I think Rodger is performing >>> splendidly in the jobs he was elected to do, inclulding arranging >>> speakers. It's easy to criticize the work others do. -- Joe >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 4:53 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>> >>> Seems there was a survey. People stated they were uncomfortable with >>> the >>>expert speakers we had at meetings and wished for more lay >>>presentations. They were intimidated by the quality of our speakers and >>>are more comfortable with lay speakers. The atmosphere may not be as >>>casual as you perceive it to be, putting aside some outbursts in past >>>meetings and board meetings. >>> >>>To be clear, Roger and past presidents have gotten and continue to get >>>good interesting speakers but people are more comfortable asking >>> questions >>>of peers and less expert speakers. Some speakers have a more interactive >>>approach and invite questions others prefer to field questions after. >>> The >>>former may not be a good type to record, the speaker is probably the >>> best >>>judge of that. Speakers that do extended the invitation generally are >>>engaging people who naturally put people at ease. I really don't see how >>> a >>>camera trained on the speaker changes that. >>> >>>SLAS had a what seemed like a tradition that got lost. We used to have >>>each board member be responsible for one meetings speaker and content. >>>That did mix things up a little more, but I certainly would utilize the >>>great speakers we get from USU, Weber, and the U of U. Guess I should >>>mention BYU. >>> >>>Erik >>> >>> >>> >>>I >>> >>> >>> Would you stop the videotaping whenever someone in audience follows up >>> on >>> the speaker's invitation and asks a question? >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:22 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>> >>> I hardly think we should or would record everything. I made a comment >>>you don't understand, and you made one I don't. Get some empathy >>>yourself, I saw no difference in SLAS meetings that the speaker was >>>recorded. >>> >>>Erik >>> >>> My point is not remotely related to the issues of courtroom cameras. >>> It >>> was simply that the casual atmosphere we enjoy at club meetings would >>> be >>> chilled if someone were recording everything. I doubt I am the only >>> member >>> who would be hesitant to ask the speaker a question if it were >>> videotaped. >>> I might need help to understand something that is obvious to everyone >>> else, but not want to look like a fool on some video. I know when Cory >>> has >>> a question I often need to urge her to put up her hand because she is >>> shy. >>> Why that situation is hard for you to understand mystified me. Don't >>> pull >>> courtroom cameras into the discussion, just try a little empathy. -- >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 8:48 AM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>> >>> You're right Joe, I do not understand your comment. I've been recorded >>>during presentations and it felt no different than not being recorded. >>>You know the material or you don't. What is the phrase? There are no >>>stupid questions, only stupid answers. I think the biggest issue was >>> the >>>cost of the equipment and storing the recordings. >>> >>> HUH? Like a court of law? Man, what an amazing misintrepation of my >>> comment! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:26 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>> >>>It sounds a little like Joe thinks SLAS meetings are a court of law, I >>>doubt recording changes anything. It has been discussed before, buying >>>the equipment etc..... but never gets off the ground. >>>They're have been meetings worth recording. Recording would leave >>> little >>>doubt about intellectual property. >>> >>> >>> >>> I certainly understand that point-of-view, Joe. It also requires a >>> level >>> of committment that may be hard to stick with in the long run. >>> Although >>> that solar lecture would have been a very good one to archive. >>> How would you feel if someone recorded a meeting on their own, with >>> the >>> speaker's permission? Is SLAS permission needed? >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I would be uncomfortable with that level of scrutiny. Every time >>> someone >>> made a joke or asked a dumb question, it would be recorded. I prefer >>> not >>> to >>> do video on a regular basis, but to keep our club casual. If we have a >>> notable speaker from out-of-town, who would be getting a fee of some >>> kind, >>> that might be worth recording -- if the speaker agrees. 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