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Tyson on star stuff
by jcarman6＠q.com 09 Mar '12

09 Mar '12

The percep tion of 1,000 years equal a day is not just an LDS point of view. For those on this board who rummaged around the flatearthsociety on-line library, that is part of their philosophy as well. Yet the point that it is an allegory and not a fact remain. Perhaps I did not make the point I was trying to make clear enough. I was not intending to critcize Fundamentalists or Christian sects, I was trying to use their perceptions of time (of which I am more familiar) to point out the limitations of thought that restrict their perceptions to a young earth. As we are all in the USA, we are all more familiar with Christian beliefs which argue for the young earth. The idea the earth is old is blaphemous to them. I don't see why i t has to be either/or. Hopefully we are back on track :) I might add, Science doesn't tell us anything that God doesn't already know.

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Tyson on star stuff
by jcarman6＠q.com 09 Mar '12

09 Mar '12

HERE HERE! Larry, or should I say Albert? :)

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Tyson on star stuff
by erikhansen＠thebluezone.net 09 Mar '12

09 Mar '12

>Seems indicate an understanding of what humans consider a year and a day. Only saying time has no meaning to God or an eternal being. Of course words would have no meaning either. .............. moving on. See 2 Peter 3:8 > > Mat > > -----Original Message----- > From: utah-astronomy-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kim > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 2:26 PM > To: 'Utah Astronomy' > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Tyson on star stuff > > Joan, while I may agree with you, I really didn't want my original > question > to become a criticism of fundamentalists or anyone else who believes in a > young earth. I just wondered if they had even thought of stellar evolution > in reconciling their beliefs, and if so, how they do so. > > By the way, for non-LDS on the list, we should probably make clear that "a > day is to God as a 1,000 years is to man" comes from LDS theology. I'm > pretty sure that it isn't found in any other sacred books such as the OT, > NT, Koran, etc. > > Kim > > -----Original Message----- > From: utah-astronomy-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > jcarman6(a)q.com > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:18 PM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Tyson on star stuff > > > > Kim, perhaps we are not on the same page, but most likely we are in the > same > book :) > > > > When I think of "let there be light" I think of the moment Sol "turned > on" > - began to shine, sending out "light." > > > > Eric - I had to look up specious to make sure I understood your point lol > > > > Time - as an hour, a day, a year, or a millenia is defined by humanity > (and, > technically, science hehe, a day is one full rotation of the earth, a year > is one full revolution of the earth around the sun ). It is the > groundwork > on which humanity bases its perceptions. Humanity needs to exend itself > beyond the limitations of the groundwork. Much like science has extended > thought from what we know (or think we know) on through string theory and > multiple universes, humanity must extend or expand its perceptions of > time > beyond the known to the imaginable. If God exists and is all knowing and > all powerful, than God's time cannot or should not be defined by basic > human perceptions. The phase "a day is to God as a 1,000 years is to man" > is > an allegory, not a fact. > > > > The existence of various civiliations on the earth, not just R oman or G > reek, but E gyptian, C hinese, Sumerian and Babylonian have proved > that civilized life on earth has existed far longer than 6,000 years. > Yet, not just F undamentalists, but many Christian sects are unwilling to > extend their perceptions beyond the basic. They limit themselves and they > limit God. Now that is specious. :) > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on > "Unsubscribe or edit options". > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on > "Unsubscribe or edit options". > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >

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Tyson on star stuff
by jcarman6＠q.com 09 Mar '12

09 Mar '12

Kim, perhaps we are not on the same page, but most likely we are in the same book :) When I think of "let there be light" I think of the moment Sol "turned on" - began to shine, sending out "light." Eric - I had to look up specious to make sure I understood your point lol Time - as an hour, a day, a year, or a millenia is defined by humanity (and, technically, science hehe, a day is one full rotation of the earth, a year is one full revolution of the earth around the sun ). It is the groundwork on which humanity bases its perceptions. Humanity needs to exend itself beyond the limitations of the groundwork. Much like science has extended thought from what we know (or think we know) on through string theory and multiple universes, humanity must extend or expand its perceptions of time beyond the known to the imaginable. If God exists and is all knowing and all powerful, than God's time cannot or should not be defined by basic human perceptions. The phase "a day is to God as a 1,000 years is to man" is an allegory, not a fact. The existence of various civiliations on the earth, not just R oman or G reek, but E gyptian, C hinese, Sumerian and Babylonian have proved that civilized life on earth has existed far longer than 6,000 years. Yet, not just F undamentalists, but many Christian sects are unwilling to extend their perceptions beyond the basic. They limit themselves and they limit God. Now that is specious. :)

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AR1429
by Steve Fisher 09 Mar '12

09 Mar '12

A second chance to get the aurora this far south. Wish that pesky full moon would go away. http://spaceweather.com/

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Tyson on star stuff
by jcarman6＠q.com 09 Mar '12

09 Mar '12

Why does it have to be either/or? young earth/old earth? Isn't the difference only a matter of the perception of time ? If you compare the scenario of the creation of the solar system, earth, and life on earth as science states it to the scenario in Genisis, they are quite similar. It is an issue of time, or the perception of the length of time. Days, 1,000 years, billions of years, the process and end result is the same. If you insist on days or 1,000 years, aren't you limiting God (with a capital :))

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Angry Birds: Space
by Patrick Wiggins 09 Mar '12

09 Mar '12

Maybe this is the reason I've been looking for to get the new iPad. :) http://space.angrybirds.com/announcement patrick

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Baily's Beads video
by Patrick Wiggins 09 Mar '12

09 Mar '12

Baily's Beads seen during the 1994 annular eclipse. Old technology but still looks good. Hopefully a portend of what we'll be seeing in southern Utah in May. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIcQ0z_xQlo patrick

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They're Getting Closer
by M Wilson 08 Mar '12

08 Mar '12

Here's a link to the latest photo of the Jupiter, Venus conjunction. Just one more week until close encounters of the [closest] kind. http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=4893

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solar filter
by Kim 08 Mar '12

08 Mar '12

Anyone have thoughts about advantages/disadvantages of using a full-aperture filter versus an off-axis filter on a SCT? I'm trying to decide whether to purchase or make a full-aperture filter. If I purchase a sheet of film and make an off-axis filter I'll have enough film left over for one or two pairs of binoculars. I'm always for saving a buck or two - or 25 or 30 (for another piece of film). Kim

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