Howdy, While browsing about for more info on v.92 on the consumer side, I came across this. Commworks just isn't faring well here. Cisco is already shipping code??? http://808hi.com/56k/v92s.htm And I assume we're still at a point where quads will NOT be supported? Are there any other catches, like "you must buy hiper nmcs to load the new code"? Charles | Charles Sprickman | Internet Channel | INCH System Administration Team | (212)243-5200 | spork@inch.com | access@inch.com - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
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While browsing about for more info on v.92 on the consumer side, I came across this. Commworks just isn't faring well here. Cisco is already shipping code???
And I assume we're still at a point where quads will NOT be supported?
Yes, quads will not be supported...they haven't budged on that piece of idiocy.
Are there any other catches, like "you must buy hiper nmcs to load the new code"?
You hit the nail on the head. You have to have at least HiPer NMCs to run V.92. I think it was already said that it is going to be a feature enable key, and thus added cost as well. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
Anyone know what these things price out to? http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/as/as5350/prodlit/as53_ds.htm I'm trying to figure cost for replacing 10 T's of quads and 6 HiPer NMC's vs. another dial product... Charles | Charles Sprickman | Internet Channel | INCH System Administration Team | (212)243-5200 | spork@inch.com | access@inch.com On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
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While browsing about for more info on v.92 on the consumer side, I came across this. Commworks just isn't faring well here. Cisco is already shipping code???
And I assume we're still at a point where quads will NOT be supported?
Yes, quads will not be supported...they haven't budged on that piece of idiocy.
Are there any other catches, like "you must buy hiper nmcs to load the new code"?
You hit the nail on the head. You have to have at least HiPer NMCs to run V.92. I think it was already said that it is going to be a feature enable key, and thus added cost as well. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
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Anyone know what these things price out to?
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/as/as5350/prodlit/as53_ds.htm
I'm trying to figure cost for replacing 10 T's of quads and 6 HiPer NMC's vs. another dial product...
2, 4, or 8 spans? And let me get back to work (Tues.) and I can give you ballpark pricing. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
A Cisco AS5301-CH with 48 ports (Cisco part # AS53-48-CH) would run you about $17000.00 give or take. You could move up to a AS5300 with 96 port and redundant power for about $32000.00. This should give you a ballpark figure. Lance Eves KanOkla Communications 620-845-5500 leves@kanokla.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Charles Sprickman Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 1:59 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (usr-tc) v.92 info Anyone know what these things price out to? http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/as/as5350/prodlit/as53_ds.htm I'm trying to figure cost for replacing 10 T's of quads and 6 HiPer NMC's vs. another dial product... Charles | Charles Sprickman | Internet Channel | INCH System Administration Team | (212)243-5200 | spork@inch.com | access@inch.com On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
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While browsing about for more info on v.92 on the consumer side, I came across this. Commworks just isn't faring well here. Cisco is already shipping code???
And I assume we're still at a point where quads will NOT be supported?
Yes, quads will not be supported...they haven't budged on that piece of idiocy.
Are there any other catches, like "you must buy hiper nmcs to load the new code"?
You hit the nail on the head. You have to have at least HiPer NMCs to
run V.92. I think it was already said that it is going to be a feature enable key, and thus added cost as well. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
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A Cisco AS5301-CH with 48 ports (Cisco part # AS53-48-CH) would run you about $17000.00 give or take. You could move up to a AS5300 with 96 port and redundant power for about $32000.00. This should give you a ballpark figure.
Keep in mind that the AS5300 is different from the AS5350, though. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
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Anyone know what these things price out to?
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/as/as5350/prodlit/as53_ds.htm
I'm trying to figure cost for replacing 10 T's of quads and 6 HiPer NMC's vs. another dial product...
List pricing that I have (and this may not be exact): 2 T1 ports - $20,500 4 T1 ports - $38,000 8 T1 ports - $67,000 Keep in mind that these are *list* prices, so apply your typical discount to figure out what you'll actually pay. My understanding is that these prices include enough DSPs on the systems to run those ports at max capacity. Also keep in mind that these are Cisco's Universal Ports which means they can do modem, fax, isdn, voice, TDM switching and format conversion, clear channel data (or any T1 fraction thereof), you name it. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
Had a good talk with Tom from 3Com in my office last week. The V.92 upgrade will not be an extra cost item other than the fact you must have a contract to get the download. The quads apparently don't have the available space and processing power to handle V.92, though if you want to work on it you can figure it out and make a ton of money on the grey market. Not sure why the requirement for the hipernmc but the old ones are too slow anyway for larger chassis configurations. The primary reservation I have against paying for support and upgrading has to do with 'end of life on the hiperarc's and hipernmc's. 3Com is moving to faster processors, but the old ones should run the same code base. If they make a public promise for continuing support for the same codebase with an exception for processing power I will go with the upgrade, otherwise, too much of my current investment is EOL. BTW, when we talk V.92 we need to talk complete featuer sets. Some of the other vendors have major caveats in their support in order to claim they have it now. Mark Thornton San Marcos Internet, Inc 512-393-5300 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Mcadams" <jeffm@iglou.com> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:04 AM Subject: Re: (usr-tc) v.92 info
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While browsing about for more info on v.92 on the consumer side, I came across this. Commworks just isn't faring well here. Cisco is already shipping code???
And I assume we're still at a point where quads will NOT be supported?
Yes, quads will not be supported...they haven't budged on that piece of idiocy.
Are there any other catches, like "you must buy hiper nmcs to load the new code"?
You hit the nail on the head. You have to have at least HiPer NMCs to run V.92. I think it was already said that it is going to be a feature enable key, and thus added cost as well. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
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Had a good talk with Tom from 3Com in my office last week. The V.92 upgrade will not be an extra cost item other than the fact you must have a contract to get the download.
Hrmm...ok...I was under the impression that it would be a feature enable on the NMC...which I guess doesn't necessarily equate to added-cost, so that doesn't absolutely prove my thoughts wrong, but it does make them less likely.
The quads apparently don't have the available space and processing power to handle V.92,
Space, sort of...there are so many obsolete protocols supported in the quads that could be removed with no damage to their functionality that its not funny (HST anyone?). Not having enough processing power is a bunch of hooey. It takes less processing power to convert PCM samples to data then it does an analog waveform.
Not sure why the requirement for the hipernmc but the old ones are too slow anyway for larger chassis configurations.
Sure...I have a chassis with 8 DSPs on it with a 486 NMC...and its certainly feeling it, but it is useable with it. Once again, 3Com EOL'ing a product for no good reason.
The primary reservation I have against paying for support and upgrading has to do with 'end of life on the hiperarc's and hipernmc's.
Amen to that. I don't even own a single HiPer NMC and they're already being EOL'ed? That's a joke. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Mark Thornton wrote:
Not sure why the requirement for the hipernmc but the old ones are too slow anyway for larger chassis configurations.
Depends on what you do with them. Mine serve three purposes: -monitoring scripts hit them, and scripts are very patient :) -initial config (completely bearable, speedwise) -software updates That means I actually have hands-on "oh this is a tad slow" experiences maybe twice a year. I can live with that.
The primary reservation I have against paying for support and upgrading has to do with 'end of life on the hiperarc's and hipernmc's.
Hello?? What's that? I'm still getting over the quads being unsupported. My HiPer DSP and ARC's still seem so new... Is this definite? I've not heard anything about that. Isn't this akin to Cisco dumping everything but the 5800?
3Com is moving to faster processors, but the old ones should run the same code base. If they make a public promise for continuing support for the same codebase with an exception for processing power I will go with the upgrade, otherwise, too much of my current investment is EOL.
Weird. I don't think you'll get a promise from them, their track-record in this area is pretty grim. They certainly are helping the decision-making process along pretty well. Charles
Mark Thornton San Marcos Internet, Inc 512-393-5300
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While browsing about for more info on v.92 on the consumer side, I came across this. Commworks just isn't faring well here. Cisco is already shipping code???
And I assume we're still at a point where quads will NOT be supported?
Yes, quads will not be supported...they haven't budged on that piece of idiocy.
Are there any other catches, like "you must buy hiper nmcs to load the new code"?
You hit the nail on the head. You have to have at least HiPer NMCs to run V.92. I think it was already said that it is going to be a feature enable key, and thus added cost as well. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
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OK, time to get some facts... Does the Patton equipment fully support V.92 at this time? Modem on-hold, fast-connect, fast-upload, and V.44? The last info I can find indicates only modem on-hold and fast connect are implemented. Does the Cisco implementation still not support fast-upload? What about V.44? When is it to be released, if ever? What about Lucent/Ascend? The last word I had on the 3Com code was that it would support all four in the initial release. Anyone willing to give us a heads-up? Do we have any feedback on modem compatability and connectivity issues? On the financial side, a first look at the math show it to be a dead heat between completing the required upgrades to my chassis along with support contracts vs. new Patton equipment when I look at annual costs for the next few years. I haven't yet gotten info on the other vendors. Mark Thornton San Marcos Internet, Inc 512-393-5300 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
v.92 will probibly follow the kflex/X2/v.90 path.... everyone has thier own blend initially, then as they see the base grow add in whatever comes next. Since there are no v.92 modems available in quantity (or being shipped with PC's) I would wait at least till 4q 01 to even try and get code on your RAS. -- Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Mark Thornton wrote:
OK, time to get some facts...
Does the Patton equipment fully support V.92 at this time? Modem on-hold, fast-connect, fast-upload, and V.44? The last info I can find indicates only modem on-hold and fast connect are implemented.
Does the Cisco implementation still not support fast-upload? What about V.44? When is it to be released, if ever?
What about Lucent/Ascend?
The last word I had on the 3Com code was that it would support all four in the initial release. Anyone willing to give us a heads-up?
Do we have any feedback on modem compatability and connectivity issues?
On the financial side, a first look at the math show it to be a dead heat between completing the required upgrades to my chassis along with support contracts vs. new Patton equipment when I look at annual costs for the next few years. I haven't yet gotten info on the other vendors.
Mark Thornton San Marcos Internet, Inc 512-393-5300
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