OK guys, I have a little more information now than I did. We are trying to use a virtual ISP for some of our pops but we want to offer 128k ISDN. I am told by the virtual ISP that they only offer 64K ISDN. They are apparently using Lucent Portmaster access servers which I don't have access to. I know this is a USR list but I was hoping someone had an idea. Is there an ISDN router out there that will take 2 separate accounts, i.e. two different usernames with two different 64K channels, and bind them to each other to make a single 128k channel? Thanks for your help guys!! Steve - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
Yes there is, would be expensive though... Look at a webramp 300e has 3 serial ports for serial devices (modems/TA's whatever you want to conect to a standard serial port) does NAT, VPN. $349 from DataComm Warehouse. Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Steve Cobb wrote:
OK guys, I have a little more information now than I did. We are trying to use a virtual ISP for some of our pops but we want to offer 128k ISDN. I am told by the virtual ISP that they only offer 64K ISDN. They are apparently using Lucent Portmaster access servers which I don't have access to. I know this is a USR list but I was hoping someone had an idea. Is there an ISDN router out there that will take 2 separate accounts, i.e. two different usernames with two different 64K channels, and bind them to each other to make a single 128k channel?
Thanks for your help guys!! Steve
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We are think about getting a 1-800 number for access network for our customers traveling etc. What is the best way to keep track of this? Dedicate a T1 to that number? Just use ANI digits then bill the customer? Is anyone else doing this out there? Brian Gordon Supervisor Of Internet Operations Westelcom Family of Companies http://www.westelcom.com supervisor@westelcom.com 518.566.6726 Voice 419.831.9137 Fax "We will exceed our customers' expectations in providing competitively priced, superior quality, state-of-the-art communications and information services." - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
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We are think about getting a 1-800 number for access network for our customers traveling etc.
What is the best way to keep track of this? Dedicate a T1 to that number? Just use ANI digits then bill the customer?
We use DNIS information to track which number is dialed...If our 888 number shows up, then we charge them for the "roaming" access. Oh, and BTW, if you get switched toll-free service, the 800 or 888 or whatever number won't show up directly. Basically you'll get the number showing up that the toll-free number is pointed to. What you'll probably want to do is get another local number pointed to your hunt group and point your toll-free number at the new local number...then when you see the new local number show up in your DNIS, then you know they dialed the toll-free number actually. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
We do exactly what Jeff suggests as well, but for some of our larger clients, who will be using the 800 number a lot, we advise them to just get an 800 number themselves which points to the lead number in our dialup line. simplifies billing and makes them happier as they can control and allocate that number internally without having to go through us. steve --On Thursday, June 8, 2000 10:04 AM -0400 Jeff Mcadams <jeffm@iglou.com> wrote:
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We are think about getting a 1-800 number for access network for our customers traveling etc.
What is the best way to keep track of this? Dedicate a T1 to that number? Just use ANI digits then bill the customer?
We use DNIS information to track which number is dialed...If our 888 number shows up, then we charge them for the "roaming" access.
Oh, and BTW, if you get switched toll-free service, the 800 or 888 or whatever number won't show up directly. Basically you'll get the number showing up that the toll-free number is pointed to. What you'll probably want to do is get another local number pointed to your hunt group and point your toll-free number at the new local number...then when you see the new local number show up in your DNIS, then you know they dialed the toll-free number actually. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
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We do exactly what Jeff suggests as well, but for some of our larger clients, who will be using the 800 number a lot, we advise them to just get an 800 number themselves which points to the lead number in our dialup line.
simplifies billing and makes them happier as they can control and allocate that number internally without having to go through us.
Ooh...nifty...hadn't considered that. :) -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
I forgot to mention that the telco through which you get the 800 number may complain a little as the number you are pointing to is not your own, but just remind them that they should not care where the line points as you (customer ) are the one paying the bill. att did that to one of our customers and I had to talk to them (15 seconds worth ) As soon as they saw what we were doing they put it right through. made my life SOOOOO much easier. steve --On Thursday, June 8, 2000 10:50 AM -0400 Jeff Mcadams <jeffm@iglou.com> wrote:
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We do exactly what Jeff suggests as well, but for some of our larger clients, who will be using the 800 number a lot, we advise them to just get an 800 number themselves which points to the lead number in our dialup line.
simplifies billing and makes them happier as they can control and allocate that number internally without having to go through us.
Ooh...nifty...hadn't considered that. :) -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
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We do exactly what Jeff suggests as well, but for some of our larger clients, who will be using the 800 number a lot, we advise them to just get an 800 number themselves which points to the lead number in our dialup line.
simplifies billing and makes them happier as they can control and allocate that number internally without having to go through us.
Ooh...nifty...hadn't considered that. :)
What happens if someone else figures out what your 800 number is? As it happens I run an 800 number based service in the UK but we do check the username in the RADIUS server against a table to ensure they're entitled to use the number before letting them in. We still run the risk of someone calling the number and just leaving it open, though, which over here in the UK will leave us picking up the tab for the call :-( Ray. -- Ray Bellis, MA(Oxon) - Technical Director - community internet plc Windsor House, 12 High Street, Kidlington, Oxford, OX5 2PJ tel: +44 1865 856000 email: ray.bellis@community.net.uk fax: +44 1865 856001 web: http://www.community.net.uk/ - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
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What happens if someone else figures out what your 800 number is?
Well...we publish ours I believe, so that's not a big deal.
As it happens I run an 800 number based service in the UK but we do check the username in the RADIUS server against a table to ensure they're entitled to use the number before letting them in. We still run the risk of someone calling the number and just leaving it open, though, which over here in the UK will leave us picking up the tab for the call :-(
We limit the amount of hours they can use it...not to protect us as much, but to prevent them from running up a huge bill on toll-free charges without realizing it (which then protects us because that keeps them from yelling at us and disputing the charges :) There is a bit of risk involved, but if they don't have a valid userid/password, they get dropped pretty quickly, so there's not a huge risk there. Yeah, if someone were *really* out to get us they could run up a pretty big bill...but that's a risk we're willing to take (hasn't been a problem yet) -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
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OK guys, I have a little more information now than I did. We are trying to use a virtual ISP for some of our pops but we want to offer 128k ISDN. I am told by the virtual ISP that they only offer 64K ISDN. They are apparently using Lucent Portmaster access servers which I don't have access to. I know this is a USR list but I was hoping someone had an idea. Is there an ISDN router out there that will take 2 separate accounts, i.e. two different usernames with two different 64K channels, and bind them to each other to make a single 128k channel?
Not well...but it can be kinda done. It wouldn't work as a true balancing of the data across the lines like MP does it. MP can fragment a packet so that it travels over both lines simultaneously thus truly making the most efficient use of the lines...with seperate accounts you won't be able to do that, but there is software that will do things like initiate half of your network requests (ftp, http, smtp, whatever) over one of the lines and the other half over the other line. This results in some semblance of load balancing the lines, but is rather kludgy. Another thing you might consider though...and you might consider this kinda kludgy as well, not sure. If you have control of the RADIUS entries for these users, what you might be able to do is set up the RADIUS entries so that the user is not a PPP user, but is actually a tunnel user. Set it up so that whenever the account dials in, its tunneled to a system that you have direct control over (I'm assuming the PM's will do tunneling), and then you can run MP over the tunnels...caveat here is that I've never actually tried this. :) The HiPer Arcs will serve as tunnel terminators (LNS or PNS for l2tp and pptp respectively), so you can do this with just a HiPer Arc of your own to work with. You could even conceivably put this functionality on a HiPer Arc that is taking calls directly, though I'd want to be careful of how much load you put on it. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
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