(usr-tc) Soft busy on HDM
Hi all, I'm having problems with soft busying HiperDSP cards. It seems that even when I perform the soft busy on every channel, calls are still able to come in on that card. Is there something that I am missing on this concept? Could it be in any way related to the switch type? I'm using INS1500. HDM -> 1.2.5 HARC -> 4.1.59 Thanks das -- ______________________________________________ Alex Substanley Exodus Communications K.K. Engineering Department Das Man TEL: 81-3-5334-1700 Systems Engineer FAX: 81-3-5334-1711 ______________________________________________ - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
After you hit the execute button, do you wait until every channel on the card shows "Success" in the result column? If you hit the close button before you get a success back for each channel, the command will fail and you will get calls on some of the channels. At 11:21 AM 1/14/00 +0900, you wrote:
Hi all,
I'm having problems with soft busying HiperDSP cards. It seems that even when I perform the soft busy on every channel, calls are still able to come in on that card. Is there something that I am missing on this concept? Could it be in any way related to the switch type? I'm using INS1500.
HDM -> 1.2.5 HARC -> 4.1.59
Thanks
das
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Hi, Thanks for the response. Yes, I do wait. I have tried the command several times but to no avail. It's frustrating to have a command that I know would be extremely useful, but no able to implement. das Buzz Gould (buzzg@rconnect.com) spake:
After you hit the execute button, do you wait until every channel on the card shows "Success" in the result column? If you hit the close button before you get a success back for each channel, the command will fail and you will get calls on some of the channels.
At 11:21 AM 1/14/00 +0900, you wrote:
Hi all,
I'm having problems with soft busying HiperDSP cards. It seems that even when I perform the soft busy on every channel, calls are still able to come in on that card. Is there something that I am missing on this concept? Could it be in any way related to the switch type? I'm using INS1500.
HDM -> 1.2.5 HARC -> 4.1.59
Thanks
das
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When I need to busy out a time span on a T1, I do a hard busy as I was told that the CO can override a soft busy. Since I do not want any traffic to come in while flashing, I'm told, I always do this. Hope this helps. Christopher Berry rof.net Web Design and Technical Support (970) 945-4920 x17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "D A Substanley" <das@gol.com> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 8:16 AM Subject: Re: (usr-tc) Soft busy on HDM
Hi,
Thanks for the response. Yes, I do wait. I have tried the command several times but to no avail. It's frustrating to have a command that I know would be extremely useful, but no able to implement.
das
Buzz Gould (buzzg@rconnect.com) spake:
After you hit the execute button, do you wait until every channel on the card shows "Success" in the result column? If you hit the close button before you get a success back for each channel, the command will fail and you will get calls on some of the channels.
At 11:21 AM 1/14/00 +0900, you wrote:
Hi all,
I'm having problems with soft busying HiperDSP cards. It seems that even when I perform the soft busy on every channel, calls are still able to come in on that card. Is there something that I am missing on this concept? Could it be in any way related to the switch type? I'm using INS1500.
HDM -> 1.2.5 HARC -> 4.1.59
Thanks
das
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Hi Christopher, Thanks for the response. When you do a hard busy on the span, does that immediately disconnect all of the users currently connected to that card, or is it friendlier? Thanks das Christopher Berry (berryc@rof.net) spake:
When I need to busy out a time span on a T1, I do a hard busy as I was told that the CO can override a soft busy. Since I do not want any traffic to come in while flashing, I'm told, I always do this.
Hope this helps.
Christopher Berry rof.net Web Design and Technical Support (970) 945-4920 x17
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It boots them all off very quickly. At 09:19 AM 1/18/00 +0900, you wrote:
Hi Christopher,
Thanks for the response. When you do a hard busy on the span, does that immediately disconnect all of the users currently connected to that card, or is it friendlier? Thanks
das
Christopher Berry (berryc@rof.net) spake:
When I need to busy out a time span on a T1, I do a hard busy as I was told that the CO can override a soft busy. Since I do not want any traffic to come in while flashing, I'm told, I always do this.
Hope this helps.
Christopher Berry rof.net Web Design and Technical Support (970) 945-4920 x17
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Yeah, that's what I thought. I was hoping for something that would keep my customers a little happier. Any ideas? Or any other responses to my original problem of not being able to do soft busy outs? Thanks das Greg Coffey (greg@coffey.com) spake:
It boots them all off very quickly.
At 09:19 AM 1/18/00 +0900, you wrote:
Hi Christopher,
Thanks for the response. When you do a hard busy on the span, does that immediately disconnect all of the users currently connected to that card, or is it friendlier? Thanks
das
Christopher Berry (berryc@rof.net) spake:
When I need to busy out a time span on a T1, I do a hard busy as I was told that the CO can override a soft busy. Since I do not want any traffic to come in while flashing, I'm told, I always do this.
Hope this helps.
Christopher Berry rof.net Web Design and Technical Support (970) 945-4920 x17
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, D A Substanley wrote:
When you do a hard busy on the span, does that immediately disconnect all of the users currently connected to that card, or is it friendlier?
Immediate disconnect. That's the difference between a soft busy and a hard busy. Hard Busy: Issues a local-out-of-service message to the switch, dropping the call in progress and preventing any more from coming in. Soft Busy: Queues a local-out-of-service message, to be executed when the current call finishes. I don't know if it's the HDSP that queues it or if it's sent to the switch and it queues it. If the soft busy isn't working, does a hard busy work? If not, the telco switch isn't listening to you. When you do a soft busy, check it (with TCM) by going selecting the Span and clicking Performance. Then check Timeslot and select the one(s) you did a soft busy on. Then hit Default (for the Parameters in the Function Group 'DS0 Statistics'). If there's a call in progress, the 'DS0 Service State' should be 'inService', and the 'Queued Action for DS0' should be 'localOutOfService'. When the call terminates, the 'DS0 Service State' should go to 'localOutOfService' and the 'Queued Action...' should go to 'none'. If it does that properly, and is still taking calls, we're back to the switch not listening to you. A hard busy probably won't work either. If it doesn't do that properly, whether it's the switch or the HDSP depends on who's supposed to be doing the queueing (switch or DSP). [I dunno. Maybe someone does and will respond to this]. This reminds me of one of my pet peeves. I wish there was a way to mark a MODEM out of service (instead of a span timeslot). I.E, tell the HDSP to never assign a call to a given modem (it'd mean the same thing as a busyout if call selection was fixed, but if you were using round-robin, you could still terminate a full PRI's worth of calls even if you had a stuck modem). I'm just annoyed that modem #24 never gets any calls because I gotta use fixed assignment because it's the only way to skip the occasional stuck modem. </rant> - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
Thanks! Great information! Thanks, Lon. das Lon R. Stockton, Jr. (lon@moonstar.com) spake:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, D A Substanley wrote:
When you do a hard busy on the span, does that immediately disconnect all of the users currently connected to that card, or is it friendlier?
Immediate disconnect. That's the difference between a soft busy and a hard busy.
Hard Busy: Issues a local-out-of-service message to the switch, dropping the call in progress and preventing any more from coming in.
Soft Busy: Queues a local-out-of-service message, to be executed when the current call finishes. I don't know if it's the HDSP that queues it or if it's sent to the switch and it queues it.
If the soft busy isn't working, does a hard busy work? If not, the telco switch isn't listening to you.
When you do a soft busy, check it (with TCM) by going selecting the Span and clicking Performance. Then check Timeslot and select the one(s) you did a soft busy on. Then hit Default (for the Parameters in the Function Group 'DS0 Statistics').
If there's a call in progress, the 'DS0 Service State' should be 'inService', and the 'Queued Action for DS0' should be 'localOutOfService'. When the call terminates, the 'DS0 Service State' should go to 'localOutOfService' and the 'Queued Action...' should go to 'none'.
If it does that properly, and is still taking calls, we're back to the switch not listening to you. A hard busy probably won't work either.
If it doesn't do that properly, whether it's the switch or the HDSP depends on who's supposed to be doing the queueing (switch or DSP). [I dunno. Maybe someone does and will respond to this].
This reminds me of one of my pet peeves. I wish there was a way to mark a MODEM out of service (instead of a span timeslot). I.E, tell the HDSP to never assign a call to a given modem (it'd mean the same thing as a busyout if call selection was fixed, but if you were using round-robin, you could still terminate a full PRI's worth of calls even if you had a stuck modem). I'm just annoyed that modem #24 never gets any calls because I gotta use fixed assignment because it's the only way to skip the occasional stuck modem. </rant>
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Are you running PRI or Channelized T1? If PRI, this probably has a lot to do with the switch type. On the DMS100 we're on, I've never seen calls come into a card that's had all the channels soft-busied. Just set the card to soft-busy, flash the new code, wait for everyone to log out, then reboot the card. Voila. It's supposed to work the same on a 5ESS. On INS1500 things could be different, I guess... Mike Andrews (MA12) * mandrews@dcr.net * http://www.bit0.com/ VP, sysadmin, & network guy, Digital Crescent Inc, Frankfort KY Internet services for Frankfort, Lawrenceburg, Owenton, Shelbyville "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things." On Mon, 17 Jan 2000, Christopher Berry wrote:
When I need to busy out a time span on a T1, I do a hard busy as I was told that the CO can override a soft busy. Since I do not want any traffic to come in while flashing, I'm told, I always do this.
Hope this helps.
Christopher Berry rof.net Web Design and Technical Support (970) 945-4920 x17
----- Original Message ----- From: "D A Substanley" <das@gol.com> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 8:16 AM Subject: Re: (usr-tc) Soft busy on HDM
Hi,
Thanks for the response. Yes, I do wait. I have tried the command several times but to no avail. It's frustrating to have a command that I know would be extremely useful, but no able to implement.
das
Buzz Gould (buzzg@rconnect.com) spake:
After you hit the execute button, do you wait until every channel on the card shows "Success" in the result column? If you hit the close button before you get a success back for each channel, the command will fail and you will get calls on some of the channels.
At 11:21 AM 1/14/00 +0900, you wrote:
Hi all,
I'm having problems with soft busying HiperDSP cards. It seems that even when I perform the soft busy on every channel, calls are still able to come in on that card. Is there something that I am missing on this concept? Could it be in any way related to the switch type? I'm using INS1500.
HDM -> 1.2.5 HARC -> 4.1.59
Thanks
das
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Hi Mike, Thanks for the response. I'm using PRI. I have had two cards soft busied for about three days with no change. Customers are still logging in happily, so it must be something to do with the switch type. Unfortunately, I have no access to any kind of support over here as 3Com Japan won't give me the time of day. <sigh> Thanks for the help! das Mike Andrews (mandrews@bit0.com) spake:
Are you running PRI or Channelized T1?
If PRI, this probably has a lot to do with the switch type. On the DMS100 we're on, I've never seen calls come into a card that's had all the channels soft-busied. Just set the card to soft-busy, flash the new code, wait for everyone to log out, then reboot the card. Voila. It's supposed to work the same on a 5ESS. On INS1500 things could be different, I guess...
Mike Andrews (MA12) * mandrews@dcr.net * http://www.bit0.com/ VP, sysadmin, & network guy, Digital Crescent Inc, Frankfort KY Internet services for Frankfort, Lawrenceburg, Owenton, Shelbyville "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
On Mon, 17 Jan 2000, Christopher Berry wrote:
When I need to busy out a time span on a T1, I do a hard busy as I was told that the CO can override a soft busy. Since I do not want any traffic to come in while flashing, I'm told, I always do this.
Hope this helps.
Christopher Berry rof.net Web Design and Technical Support (970) 945-4920 x17
----- Original Message ----- From: "D A Substanley" <das@gol.com> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 8:16 AM Subject: Re: (usr-tc) Soft busy on HDM
Hi,
Thanks for the response. Yes, I do wait. I have tried the command several times but to no avail. It's frustrating to have a command that I know would be extremely useful, but no able to implement.
das
Buzz Gould (buzzg@rconnect.com) spake:
After you hit the execute button, do you wait until every channel on the card shows "Success" in the result column? If you hit the close button before you get a success back for each channel, the command will fail and you will get calls on some of the channels.
At 11:21 AM 1/14/00 +0900, you wrote:
Hi all,
I'm having problems with soft busying HiperDSP cards. It seems that even when I perform the soft busy on every channel, calls are still able to come in on that card. Is there something that I am missing on this concept? Could it be in any way related to the switch type? I'm using INS1500.
HDM -> 1.2.5 HARC -> 4.1.59
Thanks
das
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, D A Substanley wrote:
Thanks for the response. I'm using PRI. I have had two cards soft busied for about three days with no change. Customers are still logging in happily, so it must be something to do with the switch type. Unfortunately, I have no access to any kind of support over here as 3Com Japan won't give me the time of day. <sigh>
What kind of switch are you running to? Is it configured for custom or national mode? We made the mistake of allowing our telco to talk us into allowing them to set the switch into national mode on our lines. BIG MISTAKE! The 5ESS configuration for National Mode didn't communicate CPE Busy Out statuses correctly. Our customers would get fast busy a lot until we figured it out and had them put it back into Custom mode. Sheesh! Good luck on your issue. BTW, 3Com NC's have been a great help when I couldn't get hold of a good tech. (even when I do have a support contract). If you need more information, contact your 3Com Sales Rep and ask them to have your NC give you a call. Kevin E-Mail: s1kevin@tims.net Web: http://users.sota-oh.com/~s1kevin/ Unsolicited advertisements processing fee: $50 subject to change without notice - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
Hi Kevin, Thanks for your response. I'm running to a switch type of INS1500 (Japan standard) which always makes things touch and go as that is not what everyone else is using on this list. The other problem is, of course, that I don't have a 3Com sales rep. The one we had they transferred, and since we were told by 3Com that we weren't important to them, they never gave us a new one. <sigh> If it weren't for the hardware... das Kevin Benton (s1kevin@tims.net) spake:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, D A Substanley wrote:
Thanks for the response. I'm using PRI. I have had two cards soft busied for about three days with no change. Customers are still logging in happily, so it must be something to do with the switch type. Unfortunately, I have no access to any kind of support over here as 3Com Japan won't give me the time of day. <sigh>
What kind of switch are you running to? Is it configured for custom or national mode? We made the mistake of allowing our telco to talk us into allowing them to set the switch into national mode on our lines. BIG MISTAKE! The 5ESS configuration for National Mode didn't communicate CPE Busy Out statuses correctly. Our customers would get fast busy a lot until we figured it out and had them put it back into Custom mode. Sheesh!
Good luck on your issue. BTW, 3Com NC's have been a great help when I couldn't get hold of a good tech. (even when I do have a support contract). If you need more information, contact your 3Com Sales Rep and ask them to have your NC give you a call.
Kevin
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2000, Christopher Berry wrote:
When I need to busy out a time span on a T1, I do a hard busy as I was told that the CO can override a soft busy. Since I do not want any traffic to come in while flashing, I'm told, I always do this.
The difference between a hard busy and a soft busy out is how soon the line is made busy. With soft busy, the card is "soft core" and waits till the user logs off before making the channel busy. With hard busy, the card is real "hard core" and knocks anyone off that's logged onto the channel in reference immediately, no questions asked, then makes the channel busy. I haven't come across anyone ever saying that the telco can command the CPE to drop busy state. It would be a real surprise to me if that were true. Kevin Benton E-Mail: s1kevin@tims.net Web: http://users.sota-oh.com/~s1kevin/ Unsolicited advertisements processing fee: $50 subject to change without notice - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
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