(usr-tc) Good news or bad news? You decide...
Well...this is either good news or bad news...I'll let each decide for themselves. :) Right before I left the office I got a call from a gentleman at 3Com trying to followup on our issues and see what could be done about them. This is the good news part...at least they're trying to do something. The bad news perspective of it though...he was from the technical support department. This means that his concerns, and areas where he would be able to help, would be if there were any outside issues with the actual equipment/software/whatever. While there are some outstanding issues...they're not of that magnitude IMO (v.90 compatibility, early disconnects...stuff like that), and, for the most part, they're being dealt with fairly well. The main issues that I have been dealing with, and I shared this with this gentleman were the issues of obtaining support *contracts*, not obtaining *support*. So, the bad news being...while 3Com is listening and trying to address issues...they don't seem to be doing a terribly good job of it...or at least they're not delegating the problem to the right people. The gentleman that I spoke to listened to what I had to say about the support contract issues, understood my position, then pretty much indicated that this was kinda outside his area of being able to do anything, but that if we had any outside trouble tickets or whatever that weren't being dealt, that he could indeed help there. Like I said...I didn't have anything earth shattering...I wish I would've mentioned the v.90 compatibility problems, but didn't, but by and large, this guy wasn't in a position to help out with the issues that we've been throwing email back and forth about today. He did mention that he would mention the substance of my issues to his boss...so there is still some hope that the right people will get notified of these things before its all over and done with. I do appreciate 3Com folks at least making an effort to get a response in motion...hopefully we can get the right people involved and really make some forward progress. :) My decision is that this is "qualified good news". It shows that things are at least moving...though we're still to see how efficiently. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
Well, this has been a pretty good discussion about a pretty important issue. I like TC... I like what it has done for me. But the issue remains... I'm out $1200, have no support contract, and Michelle on the other end dosen't seem to give a rats ass that this support contract pays her salary so she can be rude on the phone to me. Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
Well...this is either good news or bad news...I'll let each decide for themselves. :)
Right before I left the office I got a call from a gentleman at 3Com trying to followup on our issues and see what could be done about them. This is the good news part...at least they're trying to do something.
The bad news perspective of it though...he was from the technical support department. This means that his concerns, and areas where he would be able to help, would be if there were any outside issues with the actual equipment/software/whatever. While there are some outstanding issues...they're not of that magnitude IMO (v.90 compatibility, early disconnects...stuff like that), and, for the most part, they're being dealt with fairly well.
The main issues that I have been dealing with, and I shared this with this gentleman were the issues of obtaining support *contracts*, not obtaining *support*. So, the bad news being...while 3Com is listening and trying to address issues...they don't seem to be doing a terribly good job of it...or at least they're not delegating the problem to the right people.
The gentleman that I spoke to listened to what I had to say about the support contract issues, understood my position, then pretty much indicated that this was kinda outside his area of being able to do anything, but that if we had any outside trouble tickets or whatever that weren't being dealt, that he could indeed help there. Like I said...I didn't have anything earth shattering...I wish I would've mentioned the v.90 compatibility problems, but didn't, but by and large, this guy wasn't in a position to help out with the issues that we've been throwing email back and forth about today. He did mention that he would mention the substance of my issues to his boss...so there is still some hope that the right people will get notified of these things before its all over and done with.
I do appreciate 3Com folks at least making an effort to get a response in motion...hopefully we can get the right people involved and really make some forward progress. :)
My decision is that this is "qualified good news". It shows that things are at least moving...though we're still to see how efficiently. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
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She shouldn't be rude to you. Between about 10 of us on this list, their is probably $10-$15M in business with 3Com in the last 3-4 years alone. Losing one client could mean a million dollars or more to 3Com. They should not let her abuse people. Brian On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Paul Farber wrote:
Well, this has been a pretty good discussion about a pretty important issue.
I like TC... I like what it has done for me. But the issue remains... I'm out $1200, have no support contract, and Michelle on the other end dosen't seem to give a rats ass that this support contract pays her salary so she can be rude on the phone to me.
Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545
On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
Well...this is either good news or bad news...I'll let each decide for themselves. :)
Right before I left the office I got a call from a gentleman at 3Com trying to followup on our issues and see what could be done about them. This is the good news part...at least they're trying to do something.
The bad news perspective of it though...he was from the technical support department. This means that his concerns, and areas where he would be able to help, would be if there were any outside issues with the actual equipment/software/whatever. While there are some outstanding issues...they're not of that magnitude IMO (v.90 compatibility, early disconnects...stuff like that), and, for the most part, they're being dealt with fairly well.
The main issues that I have been dealing with, and I shared this with this gentleman were the issues of obtaining support *contracts*, not obtaining *support*. So, the bad news being...while 3Com is listening and trying to address issues...they don't seem to be doing a terribly good job of it...or at least they're not delegating the problem to the right people.
The gentleman that I spoke to listened to what I had to say about the support contract issues, understood my position, then pretty much indicated that this was kinda outside his area of being able to do anything, but that if we had any outside trouble tickets or whatever that weren't being dealt, that he could indeed help there. Like I said...I didn't have anything earth shattering...I wish I would've mentioned the v.90 compatibility problems, but didn't, but by and large, this guy wasn't in a position to help out with the issues that we've been throwing email back and forth about today. He did mention that he would mention the substance of my issues to his boss...so there is still some hope that the right people will get notified of these things before its all over and done with.
I do appreciate 3Com folks at least making an effort to get a response in motion...hopefully we can get the right people involved and really make some forward progress. :)
My decision is that this is "qualified good news". It shows that things are at least moving...though we're still to see how efficiently. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
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At 06:40 PM 2/2/00 -0500, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
Well...this is either good news or bad news...I'll let each decide for themselves. :)
Right before I left the office I got a call from a gentleman at 3Com trying to followup on our issues and see what could be done about them. This is the good news part...at least they're trying to do something.
My question is; "Did he take it upon himself to call you, or was he asked to do so by management?" If he took it upon himself, I'd have to catagorize it as "No news". I don't think anyone here has questioned the desire of 3Com technical staff to help. Krish, Mike, and others have always been helpful and supportive of the customers but, until management decides to bend an ear and pay attention, nothing is likely to change. Thus far, nobody that makes decisions has shown an interest in addressing the problems with the contract policies.
My decision is that this is "qualified good news". It shows that things are at least moving...though we're still to see how efficiently.
-- Kirk Mitchell-General Manager mitch@keyconn.net Keystone Connect Unlock Your World Altoona, PA 814-941-5000/886-2500 http://www.keyconn.net - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
Thus spake Kirk Mitchell
My question is; "Did he take it upon himself to call you, or was he asked to do so by management?" If he took it upon himself, I'd have to catagorize it as "No news". I don't think anyone here has questioned the desire of 3Com technical staff to help. Krish, Mike, and others have always been helpful and supportive of the customers but, until management decides to bend an ear and pay attention, nothing is likely to change. Thus far, nobody that makes decisions has shown an interest in addressing the problems with the contract policies.
Oh, it definitely came down from above...from *well* above. :) -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
At 08:46 AM 2/3/00 -0500, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
Thus spake Kirk Mitchell
My question is; "Did he take it upon himself to call you, or was he asked to do so by management?" If he took it upon himself, I'd have to catagorize it as "No news". I don't think anyone here has questioned the desire of 3Com technical staff to help. Krish, Mike, and others have always been helpful and supportive of the customers but, until management decides to bend an ear and pay attention, nothing is likely to change. Thus far, nobody that makes decisions has shown an interest in addressing the problems with the contract policies.
Oh, it definitely came down from above...from *well* above. :)
Cool, then I'll amend my vote to "qualified good news" also. Let's just hope that "well above" heeds what they hear and aren't just paying lip service to quiet the squeaky wheel. Imagine if upper management started actually paying attention to what their front-line people say...they'd have a whole new company on their hands, and a far more profitible one too, I'd bet :) -- Kirk Mitchell-General Manager mitch@keyconn.net Keystone Connect Unlock Your World Altoona, PA 814-941-5000/886-2500 http://www.keyconn.net - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
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