After this, I'm "over and out" on the subject, and from the tone of everyone on here, I'm going to pretty much tune out the whiny responses, too. MAN, you'd think none of you has ever made a freakin' buck in the past couple years. If that's the case, I'm sorry you're such dumb-asses, really. Because I've done pretty well, and you know, I think I can afford the $750 or so for a software only contract on a chassis that can contain one heck of a lot of revenue generating capacity. Figure it out that way. Or buy the HiperNMC/DSP "deal" for in around $3k & get software support that way. A good deal when you figure it will be in service for maybe 5 years quite probably--- You've got some configuration where it doesn't make sense to spend even that? Well, then don't buy it and shut up. The universe is not rotating around you to serve your unique needs in all cases. I don't think Commworks, profit and loss-wise has done NEARLY as well as even small ISP's--I think they're hemorrhaging money most likely. I doubt any of you are. Or shouldn't be if you do something other than piddle over these types of things all day long. So bitch as you like, but man, this act like Commworks is Evil and wants to bleed you of your last penny is really wearing on me. I'm right with you there that Commworks has not shown the utmost of intelligence on any number of things, including support contracts, but, still, it's the best equipment out there, it works relatively problem free, it's generating a lot of revenue for us, and I understand that I haven't exactly bought new DSP's, ARC's, Chassis, anything in a good long time, and intrinsic in that is the cost of software updates--saved on one end by buying used, cost on the other end, software contract, but add it up, still, real, damn cheap if you figure it out in any kind of reasonable business way. I'm as cheap as the next guy, but I do understand that if Commworks goes the way of Ascend, Livingston, you WILL pay a MUCH higher price in the long run. It's called supporting your vendors instead of beating them out of the business. Try it. Like I said, not interested in any sad stories whatsoever. It's my perspective from reading the recent posts. SMT PS: Uh, not really interested in any "attaboys" from Commworks, either. Just keep the pricing pencils sharp and the thinking caps on. Scott M. Trautman
Scott Trautman wrote:
Figure it out that way. Or buy the HiperNMC/DSP "deal" for in around $3k & get software support that way.
What deal is this? Maybe 3Com hasn't been marketing it well because I have no clue what you're talking about. I am in need of a HiPer NMC... -Ron
Ron,
What deal is this?
Here are some of the links you may want to take a look at regarding current specials for TC1000 components etc. Upgrade your ARC: http://www.commworks.com/Programs/Promotional_Offers/ARC_Upgrade/Default.asp NMC bundle: http://www.commworks.com/Programs/Promotional_Offers/TC1000_v.92_upgradepack Power Play Program: http://www.commworks.com/Programs/Service_Provider/powerplayISP.asp P.S. Thanks Ryan. Dave Lajoie RA Administrator North Country Internet Access www.ncia.net E-mail:dave@ncia.net On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Ronald Kushner wrote:
Scott Trautman wrote:
Figure it out that way. Or buy the HiperNMC/DSP "deal" for in around $3k & get software support that way.
What deal is this?
Maybe 3Com hasn't been marketing it well because I have no clue what you're talking about. I am in need of a HiPer NMC...
-Ron
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No, its not cheaper to do it your way. Why pay $1200 one time for a DSP then pay for X years of support? In the end you have bought the card 2-3 times (at least). Carry on :) -- Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Scott Trautman wrote:
After this, I'm "over and out" on the subject, and from the tone of everyone on here, I'm going to pretty much tune out the whiny responses, too.
MAN, you'd think none of you has ever made a freakin' buck in the past couple years. If that's the case, I'm sorry you're such dumb-asses, really. Because I've done pretty well, and you know, I think I can afford the $750 or so for a software only contract on a chassis that can contain one heck of a lot of revenue generating capacity. Figure it out that way. Or buy the HiperNMC/DSP "deal" for in around $3k & get software support that way. A good deal when you figure it will be in service for maybe 5 years quite probably--- You've got some configuration where it doesn't make sense to spend even that? Well, then don't buy it and shut up. The universe is not rotating around you to serve your unique needs in all cases.
I don't think Commworks, profit and loss-wise has done NEARLY as well as even small ISP's--I think they're hemorrhaging money most likely. I doubt any of you are. Or shouldn't be if you do something other than piddle over these types of things all day long.
So bitch as you like, but man, this act like Commworks is Evil and wants to bleed you of your last penny is really wearing on me. I'm right with you there that Commworks has not shown the utmost of intelligence on any number of things, including support contracts, but, still, it's the best equipment out there, it works relatively problem free, it's generating a lot of revenue for us, and I understand that I haven't exactly bought new DSP's, ARC's, Chassis, anything in a good long time, and intrinsic in that is the cost of software updates--saved on one end by buying used, cost on the other end, software contract, but add it up, still, real, damn cheap if you figure it out in any kind of reasonable business way.
I'm as cheap as the next guy, but I do understand that if Commworks goes the way of Ascend, Livingston, you WILL pay a MUCH higher price in the long run. It's called supporting your vendors instead of beating them out of the business. Try it.
Like I said, not interested in any sad stories whatsoever. It's my perspective from reading the recent posts.
SMT
PS: Uh, not really interested in any "attaboys" from Commworks, either. Just keep the pricing pencils sharp and the thinking caps on.
Scott M. Trautman
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