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[BBTC Ride_calendar] WOW! interesting responses both on and off track of the question!
by Robert Yuschak 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

Club Mileage? Well, so far the response to a simple question of what constitutes club rides eligible for mileage credit has been interesting. I had hoped to hear from more of the membership base and for it all to be a positive response which except for a poorly presented sarcasm has been informative. Please understand, no ride will be prevented from being allowed to be listed on the ride calendar. Whether the ride will earn club mileage credit or not was the issue to be discussed. Looking at past records most members are not motivated by earning mileage as much as the security and enjoyment of riding with other cyclists. Yes, there are those of us that want to accumulate as many miles as possible with the club and look to wear their high mileage jersey with pride, and I applaud your efforts and dedication. There are also those of us out having a friendly competition with another member or two over who records more miles. Then, there are those of us who love to ride and its great seeing the miles grow on the mileage list but don't really care whether we achieve the high mileage ranking. Yes, I am currently sitting on top of the mileage list, but I know I won't stay there because its ski season and if I have any free time it's going to be on my skis and I won't be back on the road with my bike until the resorts close and the snow melts. By the way, anyone wanting to ski with me is always welcome. Most of my resort skiing will be at the Park City Mountain Resort and if I ever have a full day off from work I like to go back country. My motivation for putting this question out to the club was for feedback. In order for me to be the best I can be at the road captain's volunteer position is to learn what the members want, ALL the members. Please feel free to contact me with your ideas, suggestions and/or concerns. Any and every organization functions and grows solely based on its members and their participation within the organization. Help us grow and become the organization we want to be! Safe journeys, Rob Y.

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[BBTC Ride_calendar] Maybe?
by Andrew McCool 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

Yo BBTC! I have something for everyone to chew on (high fiber). About out of state rides, I think that we are all actually a lot closer to the same mindset then we might think. Take a deep breath and lets have a group hug. Now, donÂt you feel better? (Boy, am I full of crap or what!) We have a club mileage contest. This is a competition, and for all competitions we must have rules to keep it fair. But I think we are trying too hard to guard against one scenario, and in doing so, reduce the opportunities for us to explore some unique riding experiences. After all, our goal is to provide opportunities to ride together. Can you say ÂKnee jerkÂ. What the rule is intended to do, is to keep one of us from taking the winter months off, going to Bermuda, and riding 10,000 miles and claiming club credit. This wouldnÂt be fair to those like me, who are stuck with my miserable life in SLC. I also agree with what was said at the last board meeting, you shouldnÂt be able to plan a week long vacation tour of the west coast, knowing no one else could go, and put it in the ride schedule just to get mileage credit. I also canÂt schedule a ride every day that goes from my house to where I work, thatÂs silly. I think Saturday rides shouldnÂt count since I work. IÂm kidding, to make a point. The point is we all have constraints as to where, and how much we can, or want to ride. I think that the geographic state line may not be the best criteria to determine if a ride is acceptable for the ride schedule. Maybe some out of state rides should count, but only if they satisfy a certain set of guidelines. As it is now, maybe LOTOJA should count because it is in state. After all, it is UtahÂs premier bicycle event. But the upcoming Death Valley rides donÂt count, but maybe they should as many club members are going to ride together. Some club members are going to great lengths to plan this event, and provide it to members. If LOTOJA doesnÂt count, maybe Cycle Salt Lake Century shouldnÂt count either. My point is, maybe they all should count. It was pointed out to me that more BBTCrs went to do LOTOJA then did the club ride that same day. Also, we had more in Tucson then did the club ride last month. We are in the business of promoting bicycling. We should allow as many rides to count as possible, short of the absurd, like Âmy daily commute rideÂ, or ÂTour of my grandmaÂs house on thanksgivingÂ. This is my suggestion- Out of state, or event rides, or tours should count if they meet these guidelines. 1. It is listed in the ride schedule. (Obviously) 2. Because it may take more planning for clubbies to participate, it should be listed in the newsletter two months in advance. 3. Someone should step up as a designated Âride leaderÂ. Someone who can organize rendezvous points and times, help with sign up info and so forth. 4. Maybe a ride should be either a fee ride, put on by another club, or recognized by an official cycling organization like LAB, UMCA, or USCF. Not just ÂIÂve always wanted to ride around Minot, North DakotaÂ. 5. Lastly, and maybe a little far out, Maybe we could get jerseys, Âteam BBTCÂ for members to buy so we can represent!!! Maybe ÂBBTC century / Ultra distance teamÂ or ÂBBTC ULTRA tandem teamÂ. Any excuse to buy more gear! (Yes clubbies would buy it, no cost to the club) Here is an example, our fictitious Club member ÂLance LemondÂ is going to ride RAGBRI. He wants to make it a club event, so he sends info about his plans, inviting everyone who is interested, to that goof ball that does the newsletter. He provides info about signup, transport, ride descriptions, and so forth to any members who e-mail or calls. Mr. Lemond lists it in the ride schedule. Our boy Lance handles the signup sheet just like a regular BBTC ride. This would provide a great opportunity for us to maybe go on a great new adventure! Maybe someone has always wanted to do that ride, but didnÂt want to go it alone. We should go, as a club to the LAB Rally, and the Tandem Rally, and so on. At one of the hikes, we even talked about planning a club adventure to Europe. Sound fun? I am glad that so many of us went to Tucson because it is one of my two favorite rides of all time. The experience was made better by sharing it with friends. I would also love to share my other favorite rides with BBTC folks as much as I look forward to going on adventures that someone else plans. Count me in, mileage credit or not. ThatÂs my two cents, no matter what, BBTC ROCKS! Group hug. Ride on! John Andrew McCool --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping

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[BBTC Ride_calendar] 13th Ride cancelled
by Don and Mary Margaret WILLIAMS 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Air conditions that affect most of the senses mandates that this afternoon's ride be cancelled. (For the curious that would be sight, taste, smell, touch, but not necessarily hearing unless the gunk stops up your ears) Plus my illogical choice of placing a minimum temperature further restricts the available options and it looks like today wont make it to 40 degrees. Don W.

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Re: [BBTC Ride_calendar] Rides Anywhere
by slccycler＠netzero.com 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

It's funny to see everyone's different perspective to the same issue. For us, having out of state rides eligible for club mileage was not about getting the extra miles for the high mileage award. Seems like the high mileage leader (both male and female) did the out of state rides without benefit of club mileage and still kicked our butts!! (that was a joke!) We just thought that offering club mileage for out of state rides might give others incentive to join in. Some of the best times we had last year were at rides that were off the schedule. It gave us an opportunity to meet club members on a level that you don't get when you do a local ride. We certainly understand that everyone is at a different place in their lives and have different obstacles to being able to ride all the time, we are no different - money issues, our grandchild that lives with us half time, even older kid crap!!! If the consensus is not to give club mileage for out of state rides, I don't think it will be a big deal to the people that do those rides. I'm sure they are going to ride the ride they want to do regardless. But maybe having those rides on the schedule would give that person that wants to join in the opportunity to know that club members are going to go do that ride, and possibly they could car pool down, or have someone that would shuttle their bike. It would just be one more option for our members. Doug and Shelly Jensen

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Re: [BBTC Ride_calendar] Rides Anywhere
by Su Armitage 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Amen! Life is too short to squabble about the little stuff, as I'm sure Josie and Allen and countless others would confirm. Let's get some perspective here. >>> Jeffrey M. Levenson <jmlfortis(a)netscape.net> 12/13/2005 6:36 AM >>> Once again we degenerate into name calling and personal attacks. Let us please remember that a club exists to serve all its members with equal opportunities. If people feel that personal mileage wars are the function of BBTC's existence, then perhaps we should create a category that gives extra points for changing flats, or leading a paceline for more miles than anyone else...maybe an award for the lightest bike. Folks, like it or not, this is a club, the lowest form of membership being a dues payer, who nevertheless has the same privileges as the highest mileage rider. The point is to take advantage of the privileges open to all. There are people who dedicate their lives to cycling, riding as hard as they can all the time, as much as possible. They're called professionals. They get credit for all the out of state rides they do, heck, even out of the country rides. Please, let's put some fun back into this! -- "America and defeat cannot be made to rhyme." (Eric A. Johnston) Jeffrey M. Levenson Voice 801-487-0540 Fax 877-469-5508 __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

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[BBTC Ride_calendar] Rides Anywhere
by jmlfortis＠netscape.net 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Once again we degenerate into name calling and personal attacks. Let us please remember that a club exists to serve all its members with equal opportunities. If people feel that personal mileage wars are the function of BBTC's existence, then perhaps we should create a category that gives extra points for changing flats, or leading a paceline for more miles than anyone else...maybe an award for the lightest bike. Folks, like it or not, this is a club, the lowest form of membership being a dues payer, who nevertheless has the same privileges as the highest mileage rider. The point is to take advantage of the privileges open to all. There are people who dedicate their lives to cycling, riding as hard as they can all the time, as much as possible. They're called professionals. They get credit for all the out of state rides they do, heck, even out of the country rides. Please, let's put some fun back into this! -- "America and defeat cannot be made to rhyme." (Eric A. Johnston) Jeffrey M. Levenson Voice 801-487-0540 Fax 877-469-5508 __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

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RE: [BBTC Ride_calendar] Rides for the months of January and February!
by jp2705＠comcast.net 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

Susan, if your request is due to my comment, I publicly apologize. That was my attempt (lame though it may have been) at humor. You raised valuable insight as to the competing purposes re the mileage competition. The mention of Palm Springs, Las Vegas, and people able to ride all the time, however, focused my focus-challenged mind on the evils of an 8-5, M-F job, especially during smog-alert, cold temperature inversions. Again, I am sorry. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Susan Snyder <bikesnyder(a)yahoo.com> > You're welcome for the input. > Please remove me from the list. > > Thanks, > Susan Snyder > LCI #809kc > > > --- jp2705(a)comcast.net wrote: > > > I think Susan raises some excellent points. > > However, it's painfully evident that she completely > > misses the obvious point of it all. Clearly, people > > who don't ride bikes should do all the work so we > > ALL can ride every day. (They should pay our > > rent/mortgages too, damn it.) > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Susan Snyder > > > > > I have dual memberships -- the BBTC and the Las > > Vegas > > > Valley Bicycle Club (LVVBC). Maybe this can help: > > > > > > The LVVBC has a large number of riders who are > > > retired, so therefore we also have scheduled club > > > rides during weekday mornings. Those who are > > retired > > > or have more time off are always at an advantage > > for > > > mileage awards because they can do four club > > ridces a > > > week to the one or two the rest of us can do. > > > > > > So currently, we are figuring on limiting mileage > > > awards to only those rides the club actually > > > sponsors/leads. That means the group of us heading > > to > > > the Palm Springs Century don't get to include that > > 100 > > > miles. But we do get to include the 90-mile ride > > the > > > LVVBC sponsors on a weekend trip to the Grand > > Canyon > > > North rim. > > > > > > I suppose it is a matter of deciding what you want > > the > > > mileage award to accomplish: Rewarding people who > > > ride, whether or not it is with the club, or > > rewarding > > > them for logging a lot of club miles and > > supporting > > > the club. > > > > > > After all, if there aren't enough rides for them > > to > > > log the miles they want, perhaps they should lead > > some > > > rides. As the former BBTC ride captain, I know how > > > > > hard it is to get leaders. Maybe this would serve > > a > > > dual purpose. > > > > > > Susan Snyder > > > BBTC & LVVBC member > > > (Who is soon returning to Utah and will lead BBTC > > > rides) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Greg McMurdie wrote: > > > > > > > Rob - If we have significant numbers who go out > > of > > > > state on a ride, I think > > > > it makes sense to give them all credit. For > > example, > > > > if we have ten or more > > > > who go to Death Valley in February, I think they > > > > > > should get credit. It seems > > > > to me that the purpose of the mileage awards is > > to > > > > encourage cycling with > > > > other club members. This would seem to fit the > > bill. > > > > As far as rides the > > > > next few months, I think it would be a good idea > > if > > > > rides that are scheduled > > > > on the web site that aren't in the newletter > > should > > > > also be considered for > > > > approval for mileage credit. The weather plays > > havoc > > > > during these months. > > > > Thanks for all you and the other board members > > do > > > > for the club! > > > > > > > > Smack > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Robert Yuschak" > > > > >To: "BBTC Ride mail list" > > > > >Subject: [BBTC Ride_calendar] Rides for the > > months > > > > of January and February! > > > > >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:07:46 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The dead line for posting rides for Jan and Feb > > is > > > > fast approaching. If you > > > > >are thinking of leading any rides during these > > > > winter months you only have > > > > >five more days to post them in time for > > approval > > > > and getting them into our > > > > >newsletter. > > > > > > > > > >FYI: It has been asked if out of state rides > > would > > > > be eligible for club > > > > >mileage credit. To date, it has been club > > policy to > > > > not award mileage for > > > > >out of state starts and since we are already > > into > > > > the winter riding cycle > > > > >we > > > > >will continue to operate under that same > > ruling. > > > > What are your thoughts on > > > > >this? Would you, the members of BBTC, like to > > allow > > > > miles earned for out of > > > > >state rides if they are posted within the guide > > > > > > lines of the ride calendar? > > > > >Or, does it create an unfair advantage for > > those > > > > fortunate to have the > > > > >flexibility to go south during the winter > > months > > > > and extend their riding > > > > >season to year round? I realize not all of us > > are > > > > inspired by the potential > > > > >to be the high mileage leader of the club but > > are > > > > happy with going out for > > > > >a > > > > >fun pedal with good friends on a nice day and > > don't > > > > care either way about > > > > >the miles. I understand and think that's great, > > I > > > > would still welcome your > > > > >input on the subject as I begin and continue to > > > > > > learn the role of road > > > > >captain and work to create rides for every > > member > > > > and bicycling enthusiast. > > > > > > > > > >I am looking forward to working and riding with > > > > > > everyone in the coming > > > > >year! > > > > > > > > > >Safe journeys, > > > > > > > > > >Rob Y. > > > > > > > > > ><< image001.gif >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > > >Ride_calendar mailing list > > > > >Ride_calendar(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > > > > > > > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ride_calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ride_calendar mailing list > > > > Ride_calendar(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > > > > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ride_calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan Snyder > > > LCI #809kc > > > Las Vegas, NV > > > > > > This communication is for use by the intended > > recipient and contains > > > information that may be privileged, confidential > > or copyrighted under > > > === message truncated === > > > Susan Snyder > LCI #809kc > Las Vegas, NV > > This communication is for use by the intended recipient and contains > information that may be privileged, confidential or copyrighted under > applicable law. 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RE: [BBTC Ride_calendar] Rides for the months of January and February!
by jp2705＠comcast.net 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

I think Susan raises some excellent points. However, it's painfully evident that she completely misses the obvious point of it all. Clearly, people who don't ride bikes should do all the work so we ALL can ride every day. (They should pay our rent/mortgages too, damn it.) -------------- Original message -------------- From: Susan Snyder <bikesnyder(a)yahoo.com> > I have dual memberships -- the BBTC and the Las Vegas > Valley Bicycle Club (LVVBC). Maybe this can help: > > The LVVBC has a large number of riders who are > retired, so therefore we also have scheduled club > rides during weekday mornings. Those who are retired > or have more time off are always at an advantage for > mileage awards because they can do four club ridces a > week to the one or two the rest of us can do. > > So currently, we are figuring on limiting mileage > awards to only those rides the club actually > sponsors/leads. That means the group of us heading to > the Palm Springs Century don't get to include that 100 > miles. But we do get to include the 90-mile ride the > LVVBC sponsors on a weekend trip to the Grand Canyon > North rim. > > I suppose it is a matter of deciding what you want the > mileage award to accomplish: Rewarding people who > ride, whether or not it is with the club, or rewarding > them for logging a lot of club miles and supporting > the club. > > After all, if there aren't enough rides for them to > log the miles they want, perhaps they should lead some > rides. As the former BBTC ride captain, I know how > hard it is to get leaders. Maybe this would serve a > dual purpose. > > Susan Snyder > BBTC & LVVBC member > (Who is soon returning to Utah and will lead BBTC > rides) > > > > > --- Greg McMurdie wrote: > > > Rob - If we have significant numbers who go out of > > state on a ride, I think > > it makes sense to give them all credit. For example, > > if we have ten or more > > who go to Death Valley in February, I think they > > should get credit. It seems > > to me that the purpose of the mileage awards is to > > encourage cycling with > > other club members. This would seem to fit the bill. > > As far as rides the > > next few months, I think it would be a good idea if > > rides that are scheduled > > on the web site that aren't in the newletter should > > also be considered for > > approval for mileage credit. The weather plays havoc > > during these months. > > Thanks for all you and the other board members do > > for the club! > > > > Smack > > > > > > >From: "Robert Yuschak" > > >To: "BBTC Ride mail list" > > >Subject: [BBTC Ride_calendar] Rides for the months > > of January and February! > > >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:07:46 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >The dead line for posting rides for Jan and Feb is > > fast approaching. If you > > >are thinking of leading any rides during these > > winter months you only have > > >five more days to post them in time for approval > > and getting them into our > > >newsletter. > > > > > >FYI: It has been asked if out of state rides would > > be eligible for club > > >mileage credit. To date, it has been club policy to > > not award mileage for > > >out of state starts and since we are already into > > the winter riding cycle > > >we > > >will continue to operate under that same ruling. > > What are your thoughts on > > >this? Would you, the members of BBTC, like to allow > > miles earned for out of > > >state rides if they are posted within the guide > > lines of the ride calendar? > > >Or, does it create an unfair advantage for those > > fortunate to have the > > >flexibility to go south during the winter months > > and extend their riding > > >season to year round? I realize not all of us are > > inspired by the potential > > >to be the high mileage leader of the club but are > > happy with going out for > > >a > > >fun pedal with good friends on a nice day and don't > > care either way about > > >the miles. I understand and think that's great, I > > would still welcome your > > >input on the subject as I begin and continue to > > learn the role of road > > >captain and work to create rides for every member > > and bicycling enthusiast. > > > > > >I am looking forward to working and riding with > > everyone in the coming > > >year! > > > > > >Safe journeys, > > > > > >Rob Y. > > > > > ><< image001.gif >> > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ride_calendar mailing list > > >Ride_calendar(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ride_calendar > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ride_calendar mailing list > > Ride_calendar(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ride_calendar > > > > > Susan Snyder > LCI #809kc > Las Vegas, NV > > This communication is for use by the intended recipient and contains > information that may be privileged, confidential or copyrighted under > applicable law. 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[BBTC Ride_calendar] Email change
by jwschumann＠comcast.net 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

Can you change my email address from jwschumann(a)comcast.net to janicemosby(a)comcast.net? Thank you. Janice Mosby

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[BBTC Ride_calendar] email change
by jwschumann＠comcast.net 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

Can

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