I think you put this very well. In the past few days, I've been a very unpleasant person to be around, because of this pretentious *real fan* talk. A real fan is someone who carries the music with them in life. A real fan is moved by the music. It causes INTENSE frustration when you CANNOT pursue what is in your heart. Regardless of what has been said, this IS different than just finding a way to go see Sting in concert. Those who are going to the RHOF and those who are not going, can go on justifying and complaining, respectfully...but what's the point? It's not going to make those going feel guilty or those not going feel better. It's because we're talking about feelings here, STRONG feelings. The fact is that ALL of us here are real fans, with true enduring feelings about The Police and their music. Teri -- amaryll <amaryll@gis.net> writes: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:59:38 -0400 I second your thoughts Michelle. If true fandom is to be saved for those people who have a large disposable income which allows them to travel the world, pay mucho cash for transportation, hotels, and good seats, and those fans who do not have to show up at a job every day to support their families, then we are in fact narrowing Sting's fan base down to a small elite group of people. I think it's very consescending to sit back and tell the large majority of fans that they, too, could get tickets to the HOF show if only they loved the band enough to miss tons of work, get babysitters for their kids, and amass a huge amount of debt. Not to mention, there are only a very small number of seats available in the first place, so even if 100 of us put in the time and effort you describe, we would not all be given seats. I don't begrudge you your persistence and good fortune in getting to see him so often and so close, that's great that you have the time and money to do this, but I do begrudge your attitude that anyone can do this, and your implied message that anyone who doesn't just isn't a good enough fan to deserve to see them . marilyn ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com