Hi Gio I understand that IT IS a business , but Sting's conviction are always hard to decipher, on one hand as he always said he likes to surprise people ( Ok for the Dowland and in a minor way to the Winter one) but this project like this seems a bit easy. So as you say it's a business , especially a financial one , and I am always surprised to see that people like Sting ( and many others , he's not the one ) are always willing to make more and more money. It's surely human to want more, who am I to judge, I 'll do the same perhaps if I was at his place. But I am an idealist .... Take care Michel You can visit : Stewart Copeland Inside Out - Kollected Works http://perso.numericable.fr/kollectedworks/topic/index.html http://www.myspace.com/kollectedworks --- En date de : Ven 21.5.10, David <dripdry@gmail.com> a écrit : De: David <dripdry@gmail.com> Objet: Re: [Police] Symphonicity À: "Giovanni Pollastri" <giovanni.pollastri@libero.it> Cc: "M.A" <hilcem@yahoo.fr>, Police@mailman.xmission.com Date: Vendredi 21 mai 2010, 0h13 Hello Friends: I still hold out some hope. Dylan has released some of his best stuff the last 5-10 years, and he's older than Moses :) Yes, it's probably business, so let's hopefully enjoy what there is for now. David [MiaS] On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Giovanni Pollastri <giovanni.pollastri@libero.it> wrote: Hi there from Giovanni. I can understand your point of view, but I guess there's a lot more behind this projects, that means a record company deal (probably he did a deal with Deutsche Grammophone for more records than we might expect), I guess there is also a request from the record company to release something this year...the Winter album itself was a request from the record company to release something for Christmas (they asked him to do a Christmas album that he turned into a 'Winter' album) ... at the end of the day it's about art, but it's all about business as well. An 'orchestra' album is something that many artists of his status do release, and it's something that SELLS to the main public...usually they're not for fans like us...and he knows it for sure. At this stage of the music market, releases like these can help sales...it's easy to sell a 'greatest hits' revisited...easier than trying to sell a new record, mainly if you don't have big ideas in mind; it also helps in keeping the name alive, waiting for something new to come out. Giovanni ----- Original Message ----- From: M.A To: Police@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:21 PM Subject: [Police] Symphonicity Hello As Dietmar I don't understand Sting's purposes. I know these are all his songs , he is the composer of them all but they are so linked with The Police. For a man who does not love nostalgia ...I respect the man's musical positions , I can understand the John Dowland and the Winter albums , I even like them both compared to his last studios attempts even though there were some good songs , but the musical direction was so bizarre. I don' t care if Sting's records do not not rock anymore, even though the music is good. But I still love his voice and still wait for soething better. So in the meantime you can still listen to Animal Logic, Oysterhead and to the Maestro compositions ( I m not fair, am I ? !!) You can visit : Stewart Copeland Inside Out - Kollected Works http://perso.numericable.fr/kollectedworks/topic/index.html http://www.myspace.com/kollectedworks _______________________________________________ Police mailing list Police@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police __________ Informazione NOD32 3988 (20090404) __________ Questo messaggio h stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 http://www.nod32.it _______________________________________________ Police mailing list Police@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police
I think in addition to the money it may be an exposure thing. No albums, tours, etc. = no media exposure. I get the feeling that Sting (and/or his people) thinks his more casual fans will forget him if he doesn't keep himself out there. Since he seems to be unable to write new stuff, he's "gotta" put something out there. So here we are. I was hoping the Police tour would inspire him enough to break through the writer's block, but apparently we have no such luck. Chris On May 22, 2010, at 8:30 AM, M.A wrote:
Hi Gio I understand that IT IS a business , but Sting's conviction are always hard to decipher, on one hand as he always said he likes to surprise people ( Ok for the Dowland and in a minor way to the Winter one) but this project like this seems a bit easy. So as you say it's a business , especially a financial one , and I am always surprised to see that people like Sting ( and many others , he's not the one ) are always willing to make more and more money. It's surely human to want more, who am I to judge, I 'll do the same perhaps if I was at his place. But I am an idealist .... Take care Michel
You can visit : Stewart Copeland Inside Out - Kollected Works http://perso.numericable.fr/kollectedworks/topic/index.html
http://www.myspace.com/kollectedworks
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De: David <dripdry@gmail.com> Objet: Re: [Police] Symphonicity À: "Giovanni Pollastri" <giovanni.pollastri@libero.it> Cc: "M.A" <hilcem@yahoo.fr>, Police@mailman.xmission.com Date: Vendredi 21 mai 2010, 0h13
Hello Friends:
I still hold out some hope. Dylan has released some of his best stuff the last 5-10 years, and he's older than Moses :) Yes, it's probably business, so let's hopefully enjoy what there is for now.
David [MiaS]
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Giovanni Pollastri <giovanni.pollastri@libero.it> wrote: Hi there from Giovanni. I can understand your point of view, but I guess there's a lot more behind this projects, that means a record company deal (probably he did a deal with Deutsche Grammophone for more records than we might expect), I guess there is also a request from the record company to release something this year...the Winter album itself was a request from the record company to release something for Christmas (they asked him to do a Christmas album that he turned into a 'Winter' album) ... at the end of the day it's about art, but it's all about business as well. An 'orchestra' album is something that many artists of his status do release, and it's something that SELLS to the main public...usually they're not for fans like us...and he knows it for sure. At this stage of the music market, releases like these can help sales...it's easy to sell a 'greatest hits' revisited...easier than trying to sell a new record, mainly if you don't have big ideas in mind; it also helps in keeping the name alive, waiting for something new to come out. Giovanni
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Hello As Dietmar I don't understand Sting's purposes. I know these are all his songs , he is the composer of them all but they are so linked with The Police. For a man who does not love nostalgia ...I respect the man's musical positions , I can understand the John Dowland and the Winter albums , I even like them both compared to his last studios attempts even though there were some good songs , but the musical direction was so bizarre. I don' t care if Sting's records do not not rock anymore, even though the music is good. But I still love his voice and still wait for soething better. So in the meantime you can still listen to Animal Logic, Oysterhead and to the Maestro compositions ( I m not fair, am I ? !!)
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You are correct on everything:
I understand that IT IS a business , but Sting's conviction are always hard to decipher, on one hand as he always said he likes to surprise people
And in fact, it's a surprise to see Sting in a project like this one...
So as you say it's a business , especially a financial one Remember that there is a large number of people around him, around the record company, etc...that gets money through his work.
I am an idealist Like me, you are a fan of his usual work, we get something for good, but there is also something that we don't like...where is the problem if he does something that we don't like? You know that when sometime my friends say something bad about Sting, for them is just like saying something bad TO ME...well, who cares if they say something bad about him...it's not ME...I don't fucking care...people may like something or not, that's pretty normal; I never liked 'Well' Be Together', so what? I loved the rest of '...Nothing Like The Sun'...
Anyway, as you can see, Sting makes people talk a lot, he makes fans talk a lot...the big problem is when people do not talk anymore about what an artist does...I'm sure the 'big crowd' will like the album, it can be a good Christmas present (I guess they will release a new version with a dvd or something like that for Christmas), and the tour will do well. By the way, I saw the 8-minute video of the rehearsals today on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHaa3nbkgmo&feature=player_embedded#! and I have to admit that I liked what I hear and saw, despite my initial lack of consideration for this album; maybe I won't like the album but it will be cool to listen to it live... I understand that IT IS a business , but Sting's conviction are always hard to decipher, on one hand as he always said he likes to surprise people ( Ok for the Dowland and in a minor way to the Winter one) but this project like this seems a bit easy. So as you say it's a business , especially a financial one , and I am always surprised to see that people like Sting ( and many others , he's not the one ) are always willing to make more and more money. It's surely human to want more, who am I to judge, I 'll do the same perhaps if I was at his place. But I am an idealist .... Take care Michel You can visit : Stewart Copeland Inside Out - Kollected Works http://perso.numericable.fr/kollectedworks/topic/index.html http://www.myspace.com/kollectedworks --- En date de : Ven 21.5.10, David <dripdry@gmail.com> a écrit : De: David <dripdry@gmail.com> Objet: Re: [Police] Symphonicity À: "Giovanni Pollastri" <giovanni.pollastri@libero.it> Cc: "M.A" <hilcem@yahoo.fr>, Police@mailman.xmission.com Date: Vendredi 21 mai 2010, 0h13 Hello Friends: I still hold out some hope. Dylan has released some of his best stuff the last 5-10 years, and he's older than Moses :) Yes, it's probably business, so let's hopefully enjoy what there is for now. David [MiaS] On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Giovanni Pollastri <giovanni.pollastri@libero.it> wrote: Hi there from Giovanni. I can understand your point of view, but I guess there's a lot more behind this projects, that means a record company deal (probably he did a deal with Deutsche Grammophone for more records than we might expect), I guess there is also a request from the record company to release something this year...the Winter album itself was a request from the record company to release something for Christmas (they asked him to do a Christmas album that he turned into a 'Winter' album) ... at the end of the day it's about art, but it's all about business as well. An 'orchestra' album is something that many artists of his status do release, and it's something that SELLS to the main public...usually they're not for fans like us...and he knows it for sure. At this stage of the music market, releases like these can help sales...it's easy to sell a 'greatest hits' revisited...easier than trying to sell a new record, mainly if you don't have big ideas in mind; it also helps in keeping the name alive, waiting for something new to come out. Giovanni ----- Original Message ----- From: M.A To: Police@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:21 PM Subject: [Police] Symphonicity Hello As Dietmar I don't understand Sting's purposes. I know these are all his songs , he is the composer of them all but they are so linked with The Police. For a man who does not love nostalgia ...I respect the man's musical positions , I can understand the John Dowland and the Winter albums , I even like them both compared to his last studios attempts even though there were some good songs , but the musical direction was so bizarre. I don' t care if Sting's records do not not rock anymore, even though the music is good. But I still love his voice and still wait for soething better. So in the meantime you can still listen to Animal Logic, Oysterhead and to the Maestro compositions ( I m not fair, am I ? !!) You can visit : Stewart Copeland Inside Out - Kollected Works http://perso.numericable.fr/kollectedworks/topic/index.html http://www.myspace.com/kollectedworks ------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Police mailing list Police@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police __________ Informazione NOD32 3988 (20090404) __________ Questo messaggio h stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 http://www.nod32.it _______________________________________________ Police mailing list Police@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Police mailing list Police@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police __________ Informazione NOD32 3988 (20090404) __________ Questo messaggio h stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 http://www.nod32.it
I share the same thoughts, Michel. How much money is enough? really? We have people like Bono (in the richest band in the world) complaining about losing profits to internet file-sharing. Can't there be stage when it's no longer about making money? I've kind of think in Sting's case (with his last couple of albums) that he may no longer care about popularity or making money, and that he is making albums following his own interests first, regardless if they are successful or not. He may have writers' block, or he just may not be interested in going through the whole song-writing process anymore at his age. I'm hoping this new project is not just a money grab. I hate those 'orchestra does pop-songs' things. I'm hoping there is some actual creativity in it (even though it may not be Sting's creativity). I admit, I enjoyed the last two albums when I originally thought I would not. -----Original Message----- From: police-bounces@mailman.xmission.com on behalf of M.A Sent: Sat 5/22/2010 10:30 PM To: Police@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Police] Fw : Re: Symphonicity Hi Gio I understand that IT IS a business , but Sting's conviction are always hard to decipher, on one hand as he always said he likes to surprise people ( Ok for the Dowland and in a minor way to the Winter one) but this project like this seems a bit easy. So as you say it's a business , especially a financial one , and I am always surprised to see that people like Sting ( and many others , he's not the one ) are always willing to make more and more money. It's surely human to want more, who am I to judge, I 'll do the same perhaps if I was at his place. But I am an idealist .... Take care Michel You can visit : Stewart Copeland Inside Out - Kollected Works http://perso.numericable.fr/kollectedworks/topic/index.html http://www.myspace.com/kollectedworks --- En date de : Ven 21.5.10, David <dripdry@gmail.com> a écrit : De: David <dripdry@gmail.com> Objet: Re: [Police] Symphonicity À: "Giovanni Pollastri" <giovanni.pollastri@libero.it> Cc: "M.A" <hilcem@yahoo.fr>, Police@mailman.xmission.com Date: Vendredi 21 mai 2010, 0h13 Hello Friends: I still hold out some hope. Dylan has released some of his best stuff the last 5-10 years, and he's older than Moses :) Yes, it's probably business, so let's hopefully enjoy what there is for now. David [MiaS] On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Giovanni Pollastri <giovanni.pollastri@libero.it> wrote: Hi there from Giovanni. I can understand your point of view, but I guess there's a lot more behind this projects, that means a record company deal (probably he did a deal with Deutsche Grammophone for more records than we might expect), I guess there is also a request from the record company to release something this year...the Winter album itself was a request from the record company to release something for Christmas (they asked him to do a Christmas album that he turned into a 'Winter' album) ... at the end of the day it's about art, but it's all about business as well. An 'orchestra' album is something that many artists of his status do release, and it's something that SELLS to the main public...usually they're not for fans like us...and he knows it for sure. At this stage of the music market, releases like these can help sales...it's easy to sell a 'greatest hits' revisited...easier than trying to sell a new record, mainly if you don't have big ideas in mind; it also helps in keeping the name alive, waiting for something new to come out. Giovanni ----- Original Message ----- From: M.A To: Police@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:21 PM Subject: [Police] Symphonicity Hello As Dietmar I don't understand Sting's purposes. I know these are all his songs , he is the composer of them all but they are so linked with The Police. For a man who does not love nostalgia ...I respect the man's musical positions , I can understand the John Dowland and the Winter albums , I even like them both compared to his last studios attempts even though there were some good songs , but the musical direction was so bizarre. I don' t care if Sting's records do not not rock anymore, even though the music is good. But I still love his voice and still wait for soething better. So in the meantime you can still listen to Animal Logic, Oysterhead and to the Maestro compositions ( I m not fair, am I ? !!) You can visit : Stewart Copeland Inside Out - Kollected Works http://perso.numericable.fr/kollectedworks/topic/index.html http://www.myspace.com/kollectedworks _______________________________________________ Police mailing list Police@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police __________ Informazione NOD32 3988 (20090404) __________ Questo messaggio h stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 http://www.nod32.it _______________________________________________ Police mailing list Police@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police _____________________________________________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail communication may be confidential. 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