on 3/1/02 3:09 PM, Morris, Donald T. at MORRDT@jea.com wrote: Here in the States, (list members excluded) whenever you deal with someone you¹ve never met, a number of people here tend to be a horse¹s ass first and polite second. Manners are almost an afterthought in the U.S., and politeness is often mistaken for a weakness and some people will try to take advantage of your kindness. Don, Can't say I agree with you. I don't think it's a good idea to spread negative stereotypes about the people of any nation, even if it's the one in which you live. By the way, I've been living in New York City for the past 22 years, and I frequently receive comments on the kindness and consideration of our citizens from the international community where I make my living. Just my 5 cents (hey, this is an expensive town). Beth in NYC