Re: [Orb] What do people who like The Orb listen to ?
things i have been getting into of late: _Imperial_ by Robin Guthrie -- ex-Cocteau turned guitar dronist. nice and relaxing. _Midnight at the Black Nail Polish Factory_ by The Deathray Davies -- Denton, TX band with obvious Kinks fondness releases stunning disk of quirky catchy poptunes. very nice, but completely and utterly non-electro. (yes, this uses guitars, so those of you who are scared of guitars be forewarned.) _Peter Tosh: The Columbia Years_ -- a decent collection, but not the best. Still, Tosh had a great voice and always had a good band. _Twoism_ by Boards of Canada -- as mentioned here by someone else. the new Ulrich Schnauss, which i only have on vinyl so i don't have it with me. VERY nice. the second song of side 2 of disc 1 is stunning. dunno what it's called. _Send_ by Wire. old art punks can still rock out, you know. a surprisingly fast and furious disc for oldsters. i have also been tearing through new singles by Airiel, Lorelei, Portal with V/VM, Miles Tilmann and Larvae, Jet By Day ... etc. for old stuff: for some reason i re-re-re-discovered Talk Talk's _The Colour of Spring_. brilliant. also been listening to Coltrane' _Meditations_. not easy listening, but very impressive in its own way. also: _Incunnabula_ by Autechre -- i foundn an old tape of this, so i have been listening to it in the car. it makes morning commutes very surreal. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org
hey orbsters! someone has been asking me which Orb track samples Tori Amos... i'm at a bit of a loss here. is there a Tori Amos sample lurking someplace? am i overlooking something obvious? also, started an internship at a new label (Six Degrees Records, they handle Banco de Gaia stateside), and i was casually talking to the Art Director when i turned around and noticed he has one of those super-sweet Orblivion clocks (round, diner-style clock with the big, silver frame). my jaw hit the floor - apparantly i am working with good company! (it was a gift from LX to the label-head, who passed it on.) =) rachel ------------------------------------ Rachel's Orb Discography http://www.backsideoftheorb.com
perhaps someone is confusing The Orb with the Tori Amos sampling track by Rabbit In The Moon "O.B.E."... its lush and ambient, I could see it if you aren't too familiar with the orb, especially given similarity of o.o.b.e. and "o.b.e." lysergic ----- Original Message ----- From: "-> rachel" <rachel@migoto.com> To: "What were the skies like when you were young?" <orb@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:36 PM Subject: [Orb] question and clock talk
hey orbsters!
someone has been asking me which Orb track samples Tori Amos... i'm at a bit of a loss here. is there a Tori Amos sample lurking someplace? am i overlooking something obvious?
Umm,... Six Degrees Records is NOT a new label . It has been around for years. I dont know who is telling you what. Obviously you have been misled, or you are intentionally misleading us for some reason. I have about 30+ cd's form thier lable and the earliest one that I have is from 1995. So they have been around for at least 8 years. If you whish to voice the same opinion, Rachel can be contacted via snail mail at: Rachel Roth { rachel@migoto.com } 210 Church St #1 San Francisco, CA 94114 USA Or you can call her directly at: 415-355-0587 ( Hate the Haight ) ~ Pinkness Abounds Normals making Normality the Norm
also, started an internship at a new label (Six Degrees Records, they handle Banco de Gaia stateside)
=) rachel http://www.backsideoftheorb.com
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perhaps you might have misunderstood? maybe a new label for her to work at as opposed to an old label she worked at? regardless, seems rather excessive to get bent out of shape over a label being new or not and posting all this info. so what if the label is 8 years old, good on them... are you so deeply offended at the possible slight towards the label that you feel the need to personally assail rachel who has been one of the mainstays of the list for the past few years if memory serves correctly. get a life and calm down. congrats on the job rachel! cheers, lysergic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Otto Matic" <o_matic@yahoo.com> To: "What were the skies like when you were young?" <orb@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Orb] question and clock talk
Umm,... Six Degrees Records is NOT a new label . It has been around for years. I dont know who is telling you what. Obviously you have been misled, or you are intentionally misleading us for some reason.
Here, here! completely concur. *raises pint O beer, falls into a pool O vomit, and since you can't dust for vomit, can't tell if it is mine, or yours, or that other guy's* Love, Dawson -----Original Message----- From: orb-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-bounces@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of lysergic Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 12:25 PM To: What were the skies like when you were young? Subject: Re: [Orb] question and clock talk perhaps you might have misunderstood? maybe a new label for her to work at as opposed to an old label she worked at? regardless, seems rather excessive to get bent out of shape over a label being new or not and posting all this info. so what if the label is 8 years old, good on them... are you so deeply offended at the possible slight towards the label that you feel the need to personally assail rachel who has been one of the mainstays of the list for the past few years if memory serves correctly. get a life and calm down. congrats on the job rachel! cheers, lysergic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Otto Matic" <o_matic@yahoo.com> To: "What were the skies like when you were young?" <orb@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Orb] question and clock talk
Umm,... Six Degrees Records is NOT a new label . It has been around for years. I dont know who is telling you what. Obviously you have been misled, or you are intentionally misleading us for some reason.
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well, not sure what prompted that, but since its all out in the open, i thought i'd reply publicly - sorry kidz. Six Degrees is my *new* job - sorry for your blatant misinterpretation of my email - everyone else seemed to get it just fine. i happen to work for several labels, so they are new to me. thanks for broadcasting all my personal info. i really appreciate that. being as its my business address, its readily available via the registrar, the San Francisco phone books, and by going to my website... you're not exactly a detective are you? i'm really pretty stunned that i make a posting about a Tori Amos sample and the Orblivion wall clock and it results in this, whereas everyone else can feel free to make political rants and post messages with nothing but cursing in them and they go by unacknowledged. nice. real nice.
At 10:02 AM 7/12/2003 -0700, you wrote:
nice. real nice.
Yes, i've noticed a proliferation of arseholes on this list lately. Hopefully this mindless indiscretion of posting rachel's details is the climax. BTW rachel, congratulations on a fantastic score getting that job; I've got one of the Six Degrees compilations somewhere in my collection and it's very listenable stuff. Just because Thrash does it and gets away with it doesn't make it okay for everyone else to do it. Maybe we're generally tense because the Orb have veered off in a completely weird direction and many of us regard their latest album as piffle, and those who do happen to like it.. well.. i don't understand why they would but they seem to and i'm nobody to question if or why. Basically if you're all cranky and burnt by B&T and you don't lighten up and move on and buy the new Ulrich Schnauss album or something you'll end up like Thrash, except YOU'LL never have been one of the key figures in one of the best electronic bands of the last twenty years and everyone will think you're some trolling twat. And as for "Fuck off cunts"?? Someone needs to cork their nostrils and soon. blah, Kurrel
everyone else to do it. Maybe we're generally tense because the Orb have veered off in a completely weird direction and many of us regard their latest album as piffle, and those who do happen to like it.. well.. I don't understand why they would but they seem to and I'm nobody to question if or why.
I personally love the new album. I'm sick of old orb. Frankly, classic orb sounds terribly dated. We're clinging to a memory of the early 90s, comparing new to then isn't worth the effort. If U.F.Orb came out today we'd talk about the lack of sample density and criticize it's long bouts with repetitiousness. I still love the album because it defined a time for me. That time has long passed. Sure, the new album could have been more tied together between tracks, but frankly, each song (except for gee strings, I agree is worthless) is very good in its own right. I think the jap track #7, Now Here, is one of the most brilliantly constructed compositions I've heard from anyone in years. Awesome themeing, excellent buildup and sample cross referencing, perfect length and balance. I've been playing this song endlessly throughout the day and it still keeps me in the mindset. I'll write a more in-depth personal review of the album when I have time. I'm a news reporter so by the time I get home I've already been writing for 8 hours and don't feel like orchestrating good prose anymore. Cyas
I personally love the new album. I'm sick of old orb. Frankly, classic orb sounds terribly dated. We're clinging to a memory of the early 90s, comparing new to then isn't worth the effort. If U.F.Orb came out today we'd talk about the lack of sample density and criticize it's long bouts with repetitiousness. I still love the album because it defined a time for me. That time has long passed.
I'd like to point out I define the real progression of the orb with Orbvs Terrarvum -- from there the sound became denser and more interesting. Everything before, to me, smacks of the days before electronica was common and those of us who like eletronica could still be captivated by generic tones and unmodified rambling samples. Sure, it's good stuff, but do I really want to hear 20 minutes of cicadas and pool balls with absolutely no progression? Newer orb tracks are machines with working gears and levers.
At 02:07 PM 7/12/2003 -0400, you wrote:
I personally love the new album. I'm sick of old orb. Frankly, classic orb sounds terribly dated. We're clinging to a memory of the early 90s, comparing new to then isn't worth the effort. If U.F.Orb came out today we'd talk about the lack of sample density and criticize it's long bouts with repetitiousness. I still love the album because it defined a time for me. That time has long passed.
I completely missed out on the Orb the first time around and didn't catch up with them until 1995, when OT came out. 1991-1995 Orb blows me away just in terms of sheer depth sound design alone; how the hell did they manage to write that much music without having any of it repeat around in a perfect loop for so long? These weren't just songs, they were carefully constructed little worlds. That whole production ethic fell pretty much to one side with Orblivion and was all but gone by Cydonia (except that the songs on Cydonia were actually not half bad, at least fun to listen to, and you could sing along to some of them if you tried). Saying that the Orb's old music is dated for being part of the early 1990s soundscape is as crap that tulips are a bit Dutch because they remind you of Holland. Dated or not it's still interesting and listenable music.
Everything before [Orbus Terrarum], to me, smacks of the days before electronica was common and those of us who like eletronica could still be captivated by generic tones and unmodified rambling samples.
No comment. (No point.) uncaptivated, Kurrel
I completely missed out on the Orb the first time around and didn't catch up with them until 1995, when OT came out. 1991-1995 Orb blows me away just in terms of sheer depth sound design alone; how the hell did they manage to write that much music without having any of it repeat around in a perfect loop for so long? These weren't just songs, they were carefully constructed little worlds. That whole production ethic fell pretty much to one side with Orblivion and was all but gone by Cydonia (except that the songs on Cydonia were actually not half bad, at least fun to listen to, and you could sing along to some of them if you tried).
Wait a second here. I agree that the early orb is wonderful and I can still put it on and enjoy it, but you can't say that it's not repetitive. Sure it was incredibly innovative at the time, but I can't agree that it didn't loop much. Give towers of dub a listen. The beat remains essentially the same for the entire length of the song. Or Perpetual Dawn. I don't see much evolution in that song -- it essentially repeats the first minute over and over. Even tracks like majestic which involve various themes which change is still riddled with long two to three minute segments of unchanged rhythm. My biggest trouble in the early 90s when trying to expose people to the orb is that they'd complain the songs were too damn long and the segments went on far too long. People would get terribly bored when I put ultraworld on, or live 93, etc. The orb is much less ambient now, much denser and involved. I should have said it began with pomme fritz, rather than Obvus Terrarum. Fritz was the appetizer, Orbvus was the salad. I think we're still in the middle of the main course, frankly. Oddly, your statement "they were carefully constructed little worlds" is what I think current orb is now. A 5-6 minute composition that rolls along tightly, not dwelling on any aspect for more than a moment. Newer tracks as I said before are like engines with gears and cogs and the balance and interaction between samples is extremely intricate. Early orb, I hate to say it, sounds like the "layering different sounds" and not much else. I don't know about you but I'm really not into the old days of 15 minute songs that took 10 minutes to climax, with two beat patterns and perhaps 5-10 samples alternating. I think alex and co are on the right track. It would be a shame if the band regressed back to what they were producing 10 years ago. A band that doesn't evolve after a decade may as well not bother producing music. If you want the sounds of the early orb, just go to mp3.com and listen to any of the multitude of ambient house electronic wannabes using ACiD and Fruity Loops. Regardless, I respect your opinions, of course. Glad we can get some actual orb talk on this list, rather than the usual public masturbation that's been going on here. Regards, Mark Schieldrop
as someone feeling critical of bicycles and tricycles, i can say that i'm not clinging to an old sound. i'm just asking for a little more thought and hey maybe even a point of view on music making. that, i think, would be clinging at least to standards that at one time could be found in the mix -- not any particular sound. --- Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.net> wrote:
I personally love the new album. I'm sick of old orb. Frankly, classic orb sounds terribly dated. We're clinging to a memory of the early 90s, comparing new to then isn't worth the effort.
Ahh you big pansy rachel... That last post is the most shitty one from rachel ever! Well done...! The lists hotting up Curese curse fluffy fluff I just got back from jeff minters house... Hehehee And its been nothing like this list! It was happy , smiley, fluffy and sweet And I met this girl whoooahhhh Man she sweet but she going to get married to some bloke Well , I got to see jeffs engine for his new game Very very sweet - its going to be a real original game... And with some real good music in it for a change prolly Games called unity .... Its lookin good... kw -- )) (( c[_] bLiP www.justablip.co.uk
hey orbsters!
someone has been asking me which Orb track samples Tori Amos... i'm at a bit of a loss here. is there a Tori Amos sample lurking someplace? am i overlooking something obvious?
also, started an internship at a new label (Six Degrees Records, they handle Banco de Gaia stateside), and i was casually talking to the Art Director when i turned around and noticed he has one of those super-sweet Orblivion clocks (round, diner-style clock with the big, silver frame). my jaw hit the floor - apparantly i am working with good company! (it was a gift from LX to the label-head, who passed it on.)
=) rachel
Excellent ! And congratulations ! Can you ask them if Another Fine Day will release another album for them ? I loved "Salvage" sooo much... JCFromParis
Since so many of you were asking, I thought I'd post publicly: it seems there are no current plans for Tom Green (Another Fine Day) to release another album at Six Degrees... Salvage has really not sold well, so there are no follow-up plans. Wish I had better news about that - pity, as I think its a decent one. I should caution that Six Degrees is very much a US-based label, and don't own distribution rights to a lot of their artists on the global market. (Toby Marks, for example, owns exclusive rights to the UK, so Six Degrees can't distribute his stuff there.) And now that you all have my phone number, feel free to call me up and have a chat about this if you think otherwise. :-P Heh heh. =) rachel ------------------------------------ Rachel's Orb Discography http://www.backsideoftheorb.com
also, started an internship at a new label (Six Degrees Records, they handle Banco de Gaia stateside), and i was casually talking to the Art Director when i turned around and noticed he has one of those super-sweet Orblivion clocks (round, diner-style clock with the big, silver frame).
Any body know how many of these were made and how they got around? I was thinking like 12 or something, but could be way wrong. Gavin (who admires his Orblivion clock hanging above his tv at home) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
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