You're correct in that -- I didn't plan on keeping them to myself. They're not recordings of me nor do I own them in any way, and neither do you for that matter. Why keep such recordings to oneself when they could be shared with another Orb fan? You've got an entire list of people here that are huge fans of the orb, but you're saying that these 'special' recordings are your own property. I'm not saying that it's your responsibility to distribute these works just because you happen to have them, nor am I saying that you're required to give them to me just because I ask for them. But I am saying that for you to ask me not to share them with anyone else is just fucking ridiculous -- they're not mine to make that decision and besides, what fun is it to greedily hoard a bunch of rare material when you could share the music experience with others?

From the looks of your list, you've been a member here for quite some time (hell, probably longer than I have), I'm sure that most of what you've got in there certainly wasn't recorded by you -- so why would you, and for so long, not even post that these exist or bother to share them out with the list that has probably been a HUGE resource in helping you to find them in the first place?

Maybe what you've got has been floating around out there for quite some time, but I've never seen them before. If I'm wrong in assuming so -- I offer my most sincere of apologies. I was going to wait until next month when I'll have the ISP to host my own FTP site (I spent a good while collecting and sorting out the same collection that's been floating around various list FTP throughout the years.) I'm upping what I've got to Moondog's FTP for now and will work on putting up anything else I've neglected to share out. -----Original Message----- From: orb-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 4:55 PM To: What were the skies like when you were young? Subject: Re: [Orb] new orbscure mixes When you trade with someone any you send them your list and trade only files (which the source of these told me they didn't want on any sharing network, not my choice, there's), you trust them when they promise they won't distribute these. You expect them to uphold that trust He (Bi11i) didn't Won't be trusted ever again And because you can see my list (or part of it), Thanks Bi11i , Anybody got anything they would like to trade ? Take care all Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "bi11i" <orb@bi11i.com> To: "'What were the skies like when you were young?'" <orb@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: [Orb] new orbscure mixes I got a hold of few rare orb mixes from a guy on Soulseek who has an unbelievable collection of live recordings (here they are: http://www.bi11i.com/orb/orbsets.htm) If you scroll to the bottom, the sets in yellow are the rare ones that I was able to obtain. Plus some mp3 copies of some mix tapes (here are the covers: http://www.bi11i.com/orb/orbtapes.htm) The guy on Soulseek was VERY insistent that I not share these tape dubs or covers out with anyone and claims to have some close tie to the band or 'share them and so-and-so would get in trouble.' (sure sure, that's what they all say, But I've never seen any of these mixes out there before, either.) When I have some free bandwidth -- I'll get what I have up to Moondog's, or whoevers FTP... I'm curious if anyone out there has any of these others (like the La Luna stuff in Portland, or some of the others that are in Tokyo.) Is anyone out there familiar enough with the circulating live material to know what sets we don't have and need to find? The guy who has all of these mixes is unwilling to share them out but I would love to see if I could find them elsewhere -- he's a member of the list, too -- maybe he'll poke his head out and decide to upload them for everyone to enjoy...? _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb

bi11i Aren't you the one that asked me for a trade and then told me you had the Thursday teatime show from 30-05-2002, Sent me a file and it turned out to be 31-05-2001, you had just changed the date !!! very nice of you. I realised this and then you said you would get it, Thats the time you came crying to the list members to see if they had it. Then I gave you an ftp login to get those "trade only" files (If I had my way I would have publicly shared them but I promised the person I got them from I wouldn't, and I keep my word) You uploaded teatime sets I already had, so I had to delete them and tell you to stop. So I let you have all those without trading anything, and you promised not to distribute them. " But I am saying that for you to ask me not to share them with anyone else is just fucking ridiculous -- they're not mine to make that decision and besides, what fun is it to... " Why did you say you wouldn't then , are you a liar ??? Lets recap I gave you ftp access to get all those sets and your moaning about it No-one can trade stuff anymore they have to put it on a public ftp Everyone that has something not commonly available is in violation of your way of thinking Sorry if this is boring for the rest of the list members Thrash say something funny now !!! Take care all Steve

Then I gave you an ftp login to get those "trade only" files (If I had my way I would have publicly shared them but I promised the person I got them from I wouldn't, and I keep my word) let me speak to that person , now... this is really pissing me off big time... " But I am saying that for you to ask me not to share them with anyone else is just fucking ridiculous -- they're not mine to make that decision and besides, what fun is it to... " invalid argument error syntax error letmespeaktothatblokeandillfuckingkickhisheadinerror I want the email address of the guy who said you cant share that shit he does not own the copyright for those performances Some of those performances contain my songs And if this guy does not change his tune There will be trouble... Why did you say you wouldn't then , are you a liar ??? It is not legal to promise not to copy them And certainly not in the spirit of the net Please don't write me back saying he got the dates wrong on purpose If he did - he is one of those saps that should be electrocuted for their crimes... ok end of story - thanks Lets recap You have whinged on And withheld illegally, files which you have no right over If you do not cease and desist I shall sue I think I shall sue anyone who doesn't share my tracks As opposed to madonnas bitch schlap approach Which is killing music (rather than piracy_) So last time - don't fuck with my tracks or Simons or Lx's Don't tell people who can have them or cant.. they're not yours And not yours to decide what sharing network you can put them on Sorry if this is boring for the rest of the list members Thrash say something funny now !!! bollcks

sarf norwood massive in full agreement and will send a few of the boys round

Big up the Sarf Norwood Massive, however, if anyone know the little cunts he keep smashing up my workshop on Sarf Norwood Hill, let me know and me and the boys will be round to kick their heads in.

so does that mean youve got something in the post for me then m8ty =)? bill

BH = Bank Holiday M8ty, very popular up here, genrally stay in bed a bit longer and eat less lard! bill At least this "war on terrorism" will be just as quick and successful as the "war on drugs" so we'll know... that... oh, wait. --==themode2k==--

Hey man Bit glum that you posted the list though You should have got them first and then posted man