<< The wren tit has a curious song. Hold a ping-pong ball about a foot above the table. Let it go, noting the series of hollow plunking sounds the ball makes as it bounces, each successive plunk coming harder on the heels of the last as the ball bounces itself out of energy and back to silence. >> wait a minute. the song "Bucephalus Bouncing Ball" by Aphex Twin on the _Pi_ soundtrack -- that uses the same thing, only computer generated i think. << It was the English philosopher David Hume, I believe, who first suggested that even if your experiment produces the same results a million times, this doesn't guarantee the same results on try number one million and one. Though few wren tits have shown the curiosity or patience necessary to wade through Hume's entire Enquiry Into Human Understanding, all act as if they are at least familiar with its contents, perhaps in some avian abridgement unknown to us. >> excellent use of the Hume there my man. wonderful.... and remember, "David Hume could out consume...." PJK reformed Humian philosophy geek please don't hate me because i can't type..... --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org studio-nibble.com