Message: 5 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:39:32 -0800 From: "Tim C" <timc_orb@charter.net> Subject: RE: [Orb] re: OT Request To: "'What were the skies like when you were young?'" <orb@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000001c4da62$e376f250$0200a8c0@ieye1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
More amazing logic. By throttling capitalism (and getting involved in healthcare at all levels) governments have forced the costs of healthcare to rise.
Could you be specific? As best as I can tell the cost of healthcare has been driven up more by greed than "throttling," especially here in the US where the perverted concept of a "free market" (which is myth but I digress) is allowed to be applied to public necessities. Everyone needs healthcare. As the system is now over half of Americans are priced out of it and can only get healthcare by a) waiting until it's way too late and using emergency rooms (thus driving up costs all around and often bankrupting the patients) or b) working for a company that provides health insurance. If you've been paying attention you might have noticed that employer paid health insurance is also vanishing. But then again the neo-con way is, "If you can't afford it, fuck you. Go die."
Without corporations, where the fuck do you think you'd be, anyway?
This is another vague and, frankly, stupid statement. All corporations are not equal. Monopolies are inherently flawed. Small corporations in an unregulated market are swallowed by bigger ones, ad nauseum until a monopoly is created. But the main problem I have with your small little mind is that it can't seem to grasp what my statement meant which is I don't want to work for a corporation. I'm a small business owner. Fuck corporations.
Who do you think creates jobs?
I thought it was small business owners... but that's just bullshit lipservice from the Bush administration as NOTHING those fuckers do is to help the small business owner. Unless you consider 1000 employees to be small. Large corporations as they grow larger tend to reduce the overall size of their workforce through layoffs as they acquire smaller corporations, thus reducing employment in any given sector.
Where the fuck do you think wealth comes from?
I guess it must be the all knowing and beneficient corporations. All hail Enron. Dumbass.
Imagine how inexpensive health care would be without all the regulations (everywhere), unreasonable lawsuits (i.e, breakdown of justice system, particularly in USA), the difficulty in approving new medicines (again, mainly USA here - but of course the good ol' FDA approves things like aspartame), etc.
*Sigh* You've been listening to too much Rush Limbaugh, kid. Do you know the main source of lawsuits in the US? Business. That's right, large corporations are responsible for 4/5's of lawsuits. Why is it you neo-cons only want to limit individual lawsuits? Or were you aware of this? Approving medicine: According to a GAO study the FDA is receiving less than half the funding it needs to properly do its job. This is not a fault of regulation (which we have far too little of in my opinion, especially in profitteering and managerial compensation in medicine) it's a fault of neo-cons attempting to destroy social programs by underfunding them. But Stealth bombers (a stupid piece of technology we have no use for whatsoever) are more important than the public health. We obviously should trust large corporations to work in the public interest as they did at Love Canal, 3 Mile Island, or as they did along all major waterways before the EPA. We don't have shit for regulations on our health industry which is the main reason it is so expensive. When an essential service is allowed to be privatized you end up with the minimum amount of said service so if there is a surge in demand the system will collapse. As a nation we should have a robust healthcare system that is prepared to handle a major epidemic. As it is most communities do not have enough hospital beds to deal with ordinary busy periods like holidays. As I said before, you also end up with the prices the "market" will bear which means that at least half of people won't be able to afford any kind of healthcare without risking bankruptcy.
Man, is this you? http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php - go down to "Dancing Moonbats". Fuuuuck.
I've got no idea what you're talking about. Looks like some kind of news blog to me. I can't find anything about moonbats or dancing.
Just out of curiosity, what ISP are you accessing the Internet (which, of course, magically coalesced from a fart emitted by Al Gore) with?
What does this have to do with this, exactly? I have a choice of two ISPs that offer DSL connections and their billing rates are identical. If I wanted cable internet I could use... ONE source, but I don't watch television. I would like to point out that Gore's statement about inventing the internet has been taken out of context. If you pull your head out of your ass and do some research you would find out that Al Gore was the main sponsor and driving force behind the budgetting that created the internet. That's right, it was created by the government using public funds. Why are you using it then? Obviously government can do nothing right in your opinion so aren't you a bit of a hyporcrit for using it? And you should only use privately owned and created highways. Oh, and be sure to never use electricity in a rural setting. Why oh why bother, though? You're going to ignore anything logical and continue to chant your dogmatic views to yourself, reinforcing them with Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. Despite any evidence contrary to your dogma you'll keep believing the neo-con mythology until you find yourself standing on the ledge after the next Black Friday. We're setting ourselves up for the same massive collapse that occurred 80 years ago by telling ourselves we can do what they did without fucking it up and since it's probably people like you that will be making the decisions the collapse will happen and you'll be really surprised by it. ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________ "Be who you are... not what's cool." --Chef.
More amazing logic. By throttling capitalism (and getting involved in healthcare at all levels) governments have forced the costs of healthcare to rise.
Could you be specific? As best as I can tell the cost of
Well, this is a good start. http://www.afcm.org/ideas.html Also dig around on www.capmag.com and look for healthcare articles.
Without corporations, where the fuck do you think you'd be, anyway? business owner. Fuck corporations.
As someone else alluded to, how much do you use in the course of your business that was made by corporations?
Who do you think creates jobs?
I thought it was small business owners...
Ha! A small business employs on average, what, 3-10 people? Corporations - hundreds to thousands each.
corporations, thus reducing employment in any given sector.
More interesting logic. I'd explain myself more, but I'm too stupid to.
Where the fuck do you think wealth comes from?
I guess it must be the all knowing and beneficient corporations. All hail Enron. Dumbass.
Enron failed because they did not respect reality. If your level of philosophical awareness is at the level it seems to be, how much longer before your unspecified "small business" follows them?
Imagine how inexpensive health care would be without all the regulations (everywhere), unreasonable lawsuits (i.e, breakdown of justice system, particularly in USA), the difficulty in approving new medicines (again, mainly USA here - but of course the good ol' FDA approves things like aspartame), etc.
*Sigh* You've been listening to too much Rush Limbaugh, kid.
Go fuck yourself, you dipshit. I find it amazing that you answer my assertions with insults and still expect me to waste my time backing them up. Any further replies from you will be directed at the brick wall known as dev/null... T
Can anyone figure this guy out? I've asked for first hand accounts of "free" public healthcare from people who live there and I get attacked on and off list. Fucking amazing. My responses to Mister Bad Ass are marked with **. The most vicious and personal attacks are at the bottom. It's always civil to wish a person utter failure because their opinions differ from yours. What a wonderful world. ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________ "Be who you are... not what's cool." --Chef. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim C" <timc_orb@charter.net> To: "'Alan Evil'" <alanevil@bellsouth.net> Cc: "'What were the skies like when you were young?'" <orb@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:15 PM Subject: RE: [Orb] re: OT Request
More amazing logic. By throttling capitalism (and getting involved in healthcare at all levels) governments have forced the costs of healthcare to rise.
Could you be specific? As best as I can tell the cost of
Well, this is a good start. http://www.afcm.org/ideas.html Also dig around on www.capmag.com and look for healthcare articles.
Without corporations, where the fuck do you think you'd be, anyway? business owner. Fuck corporations.
As someone else alluded to, how much do you use in the course of your business that was made by corporations? **I don't want to work for a corporation. Why the fuck should I want to work for a big corporation? As best I can tell the only way to move up to the higher levels of large corporations is to be really skilled at ass kissing, preferably with a lot of tongue. I don't kiss ass well so fuck corporations. I don't want to work for one. What is so hard for you to understand about this? You may enjoy whoring yourself. I don't. -- Almost every business is a form of corporation, do you take me for an idiot? There is a point at which businesses grow beyond the point where they are doing good and so they should be controlled and restricted. It works quite well as the periods of greatest prosperity and growth have always occurred during periods of increasing regulation. But my point is that I don't want to work for a large corporation. Try to get your head around it. It's sooooooo simple.
Who do you think creates jobs?
I thought it was small business owners...
Ha! A small business employs on average, what, 3-10 people? Corporations - hundreds to thousands each. **Just my point. Bush went on endlessly about how small business is the driving force blah blah blah during his campaign and you know he was full of shit but you voted for him anyway. Lies and deceit are how your side works. But irony is usually lost on people like you.
corporations, thus reducing employment in any given sector.
More interesting logic. I'd explain myself more, but I'm too stupid to. **You're "too stupid, too." I didn't say it, you did.
Where the fuck do you think wealth comes from?
I guess it must be the all knowing and beneficient corporations. All hail Enron. Dumbass.
Enron failed because they did not respect reality. If your level of philosophical awareness is at the level it seems to be, how much longer before your unspecified "small business" follows them? **Enron was the darling of you people back in the day. I submit that our economy is running on a similar model to Enron's at this point. I also submit there are quite a few major corporations teetering on the edge because to get as huge as they get they have to loose any kind of safety net. (See the air transportation sector.) Small businesses competing vigorously is a strong economic driver. Increasingly large businesses relying on increasingly small profit margins are weak and offer decreasing jobs, benefits, and pay... It's this whole movement to a service economy with the many waiting on the few. **My unspecified business is a contracting company specializing in restorational carpentry. I'm an honest businessman, I pay well, and I pay all my taxes. After all that I don't make any money, really. Hopefully once I've repaired and sold a few more houses I'll be able to retire comfortably. It's a big hope considering the direction our society is taking but I'm just looking forward to $4/gallon gas and the return of the suburbanites to city cores. I'm ready. **Funny how few of the monster companies pay any taxes at all. Again I point to Bush's bullshit about how he wants to help "small business." All of his actions have helped mega-corporations trickling down to nothing for the small guys. Does that seem fair? The only rich people I know in my business are worthless bastards that will rob you blind if you look away. Those that are just well off tend to be decent people that are good bosses but don't pay particularly well. I prefer flipping houses for income but I'm still working on making any real money at it for myself. I've gotten good practice helping flip about 40 houses in Savannah but I'm still building up the equity to be able to turn them quickly. Slow but sure should do it. **How's your business? Had your tongue up any asses lately? (That was mean. Maybe your huge corporation doesn't require ass kissing to succeed.)
Imagine how inexpensive health care would be without all the regulations (everywhere), unreasonable lawsuits (i.e, breakdown of justice system, particularly in USA), the difficulty in approving new medicines (again, mainly USA here - but of course the good ol' FDA approves things like aspartame), etc.
*Sigh* You've been listening to too much Rush Limbaugh, kid.
Go fuck yourself, you dipshit. I find it amazing that you answer my assertions with insults and still expect me to waste my time backing them up. Any further replies from you will be directed at the brick wall known as dev/null... **What about the rest of the paragraph? You read just like a transcript of a parrot that's been sitting on a radio playing Rush Limbaugh so why is that an insult to you? Oh, because you know as well as the rest of us that he just makes shit up half the time and can twist the party line to fit "conservative values" because he never has to actually present facts or sources or be honest for that matter. Or is it because Rush Limbaugh is just "entertainment" and you're insulted I assume he and those like him are your source for information? I'd be insulted if someone thought I listened to him as much as I do. I usually have to turn him off because I can't stay ahead of his bullshit. It's like it builds up in a huge wave of bullshit that you can't refute quickly enough. Each show is worthy of four hours of refutation. No wonder the conservatives are on the increase. It's FAR easier to believe than to question or even refute. We should all just submit. Sieg heil. **And again, I wasn't talking to you in the first place. We don't have "free" public healthcare in the US so you don't have any personal experience of it. I'm tired of talking to you as well. It is just like talking to a brick wall... well, a brick wall with an ugly mouth, that is.
Perhaps this was the wrong forum to ask your question? Apparently you didn't get the answer(s) you wanted. Wait, no, you did get one response that was negatory... Incidentally, A bromide is a meaningless statement, as well as a chemical compound. NO ONE has free healthcare; that's impossible. -Brian PS: I'm done with this one, some Orb content please? On 12/6/04 5:38 PM, "Alan Evil" <alanevil@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Can anyone figure this guy out? I've asked for first hand accounts of "free" public healthcare from people who live there and I get attacked on and off list. Fucking amazing.
My responses to Mister Bad Ass are marked with **. The most vicious and personal attacks are at the bottom. It's always civil to wish a person utter failure because their opinions differ from yours. What a wonderful world. *snip snip snip snip snip snip snip*
der only americans can talk about free health care like this it is a right for all - anyone who thinks not is a selfish fuckwit there.... said it... and by the way just to reiterate the profundity of what im saying: bollocks oh and by teh way have yo heard my new track? its called go back to bed america.. its shit again but the thing is i really think im working on something good this time my new album is going to kick some serious ass... im not one to blow my own trumpet god who knows if i could reach i wouldnt be typing this shit fer sure anyway bollocks )) (( c[_] Care for a slice of crocodile vicar? **************************** duh On 6 Dec 2004, at 23:49, Brian wrote: Perhaps this was the wrong forum to ask your question? Apparently you didn't get the answer(s) you wanted. Wait, no, you did get one response that was negatory... Incidentally, A bromide is a meaningless statement, as well as a chemical compound. NO ONE has free healthcare; that's impossible. -Brian PS: I'm done with this one, some Orb content please? On 12/6/04 5:38 PM, "Alan Evil" <alanevil@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Can anyone figure this guy out? I've asked for first hand accounts of "free" public healthcare from people who live there and I get attacked on and off list. Fucking amazing.
My responses to Mister Bad Ass are marked with **. The most vicious and personal attacks are at the bottom. It's always civil to wish a person utter failure because their opinions differ from yours. What a wonderful world. *snip snip snip snip snip snip snip*
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