Also winamp from 2.80 also has built in Ogg support.. not we just need hardware manufactures to support it :) There was a story on slashdot this morning about quality of audio codecs as well, its an interesting read http://ff123.net/64test/results.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Bongdevil@aol.com To: orb@mailman.xmission.com Sent: July 30, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: [Orb] Ogg Vorbis http://www.slyck.com/newsjuly2002/072502d.html