oh the hacking ahem .. er i just made that up... sorry (embarressed) i cant hack well i could if i could be bothered to learn but i cant ... i can only program 6502 asm and a bit of c++ no unix fuckin about... i would feel funny d/l exploits it seems like cheating... in fact i aint programmed for years and i cant remember any of it sorry sorry sorry i just wanted to freak you out i dunno what came over me im nice really honest i just want to be someone different cos im a loser like you said i agree totally mate i understand.. i want a HOLIDAY FROM MY MIND ITS NOT EASY BEING IN HERE YOU KNOW clint mate can we be civil ? it would be good yor call... or you could killfile and tell me to fuckoff fairy muff mate - your choice Kris -- )) (( c[_] bLiP www.justablip.co.uk (don't bother going there)