right on Mark, Pitman is class! never heard of V-snares though -Hi John.....Well ive tried the Venation Snares...U see something with -the -title 'The Chocolate Wheelchair Album' and you think wow fuckin great -title -ill check that out........honestly mate its a pile of dog shit...anyone -who -says the Venetian Snares is good needs their head tested......Venetian -Snares.....wouldnt give him the steam from me piss!!!!!!!.......... -PS -Get yourself some MC Pitman......... -Regards Mark _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger