I know this is a shameless plug after all these years of lurking here, but I have finally found the courage to put my 2004 Florbcast on a webpage - it was a work in progress but as I haven't touched it in 3 years I may consider it un-forever-finished... Anyway those guys that are still dreamin' about ambient days can hear the 17 minutes long thingie on http://www.myspace.com/atagong (it is in the general section). TTFN Felix "For Creationists, 'The Flintstones' is a documentary." Kevin Padian, National Center for Science Education (USA) Felix Atagong's Unfinished Projects: http://users.telenet.be/atagong