Re: [Orb] Orb Digest, Vol 62, Issue 3
more like 5 and a half years -----Original Message----- From: theREALmxyzptlk [mailto:theREALmxyzptlk@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 09:38 AM To: 'What were the skies like when you were young?' Subject: Re: [Orb] Orb Digest, Vol 62, Issue 3 jerry@airstrip-one.com wrote:> no, future sound of london is the Isness> of 10 years ago._______________________________________________Orb mailing listOrb@mailman.xmission.comhttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orbReport list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
more like 5 and a half years
That depends on where you stand. Where I stand, it's 10. It always amazes me how much this and the KLF list are trapped in the 90s. The only relatively "new" (and even using 'new' in a relative sense is a stretch) things that get mentioned here are SERIOUS retreads. Jack Dangers has an interesting live video-performance thing going, but c'mon. He's a one trick pony if there ever was one. While I do understand that some people prefer the stylistic mix that was happening 10-20 years ago, it amazes me that these lists seem to exist with little to no exchange and notice of the oodles of music which would *logically* appeal to fans of bands which used to be 'forward-looking.' I love The Orb. I love KLF. But God help the person who turns to this list for anything relatively new and remotely innovative musically. He or she is most likely to be bombarded with Rush suggestions (gag, ack,?!) And THAT is a travesty indeed - at least here. Don't take this as a bitch session - I'm subbed like everyone else, and I can easily bow out anytime I choose. I'm just amazed at how much this feels like a class reunion, where people can only talk about the past and are so busy building the myth of the 'good old days' that their ears are plugged when it comes to what's out there. Five years ago I would have followed this with a long list of things to investigate. These days, I don't have time. And it seems like nobody here is interested in much other than what they already know or something that sounds exactly like what they've been listening to for the past 10 years. It's ironic, really - in that it is quite unlike the "spirit" of either The Orb or The KLF, who both pushed boundaries and went for something new. jeff
good point, well put, but is it us, or the music industry that have made things the way they are, fk we all live in the past, but is there anything really that new out there in a industry full of clones developed to fill a specific market. theREALmxyzptlk wrote:
more like 5 and a half years
That depends on where you stand. Where I stand, it's 10. It always amazes me how much this and the KLF list are trapped in the 90s. The only relatively "new" (and even using 'new' in a relative sense is a stretch) things that get mentioned here are SERIOUS retreads. Jack Dangers has an interesting live video-performance thing going, but c'mon. He's a one trick pony if there ever was one.
While I do understand that some people prefer the stylistic mix that was happening 10-20 years ago, it amazes me that these lists seem to exist with little to no exchange and notice of the oodles of music which would *logically* appeal to fans of bands which used to be 'forward-looking.'
I love The Orb. I love KLF. But God help the person who turns to this list for anything relatively new and remotely innovative musically. He or she is most likely to be bombarded with Rush suggestions (gag, ack,?!) And THAT is a travesty indeed - at least here. Don't take this as a bitch session - I'm subbed like everyone else, and I can easily bow out anytime I choose. I'm just amazed at how much this feels like a class reunion, where people can only talk about the past and are so busy building the myth of the 'good old days' that their ears are plugged when it comes to what's out there.
Five years ago I would have followed this with a long list of things to investigate. These days, I don't have time. And it seems like nobody here is interested in much other than what they already know or something that sounds exactly like what they've been listening to for the past 10 years. It's ironic, really - in that it is quite unlike the "spirit" of either The Orb or The KLF, who both pushed boundaries and went for something new.
jeff
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Hi jeff, Good story. As for myself, i have shifted my interest for new music a little bit during the last couple of years (decade) to other genres then ambient. Also the fact that less ambient music is released compared to like 10 years ago, does not help. Above that, i guess it is human nature to look back at stuff which was, in those days, realy good music. Also don't forget that most of us where teenagers, and the musical style was fairly new. I admit though that good music is still being produced nowadays...gr, R
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:31:50 -0400> From: theREALmxyzptlk@comcast.net> To: orb@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Orb] Orb Digest, Vol 62, Issue 3> > > > more like 5 and a half years> > > That depends on where you stand. Where I stand, it's 10.> It always amazes me how much this and the KLF list are trapped in the 90s.> The only relatively "new" (and even using 'new' in a relative sense is a > stretch) things that get mentioned here are SERIOUS retreads.> Jack Dangers has an interesting live video-performance thing going, but > c'mon. He's a one trick pony if there ever was one.> > While I do understand that some people prefer the stylistic mix that was > happening 10-20 years ago, it amazes me that these lists seem to exist > with little to no exchange and notice of the oodles of music which would > *logically* appeal to fans of bands which used to be 'forward-looking.'> > I love The Orb. I love KLF.> But God help the person who turns to this list for anything relatively > new and remotely innovative musically.> He or she is most likely to be bombarded with Rush suggestions (gag, ack,?!)> And THAT is a travesty indeed - at least here.> Don't take this as a bitch session - I'm subbed like everyone else, and > I can easily bow out anytime I choose.> I'm just amazed at how much this feels like a class reunion, where > people can only talk about the past and are so busy building the myth of > the 'good old days' that their ears are plugged when it comes to what's > out there.> > Five years ago I would have followed this with a long list of things to > investigate. These days, I don't have time. And it seems like nobody > here is interested in much other than what they already know or > something that sounds exactly like what they've been listening to for > the past 10 years.> It's ironic, really - in that it is quite unlike the "spirit" of either > The Orb or The KLF, who both pushed boundaries and went for something new.> > jeff> > > _______________________________________________> Orb mailing list> Orb@mailman.xmission.com> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb> Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
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Hey Ramon, I must radically disagree with your statement that less ambient is being produced and released these days. There is far more new ambient out there - much of it free, on netlabels like Thinner, etc) - than there was 10 years ago. Sub to ambient@hyperreal.org or the faxlist@2350.org , hang around for a bit and see what I mean. These days ambient has more subcategories than can easily be managed. Ever heard of the Infraction label? Adam Pacione? Keith Berry? Andrew Chalk? Back to chillout, how about the Ultimae label? Sending Orbs? Highpoint Lowlife (really a mash of styles there). If I have time, I could fill an email which nobody has time to read. But as it is, I have a pile of papers to grade and the semester ends soon... jeff
Hi jeff,
Good story. As for myself, i have shifted my interest for new music a little bit during the last couple of years (decade) to other genres then ambient. Also the fact that less ambient music is released compared to like 10 years ago, does not help.
Actually, there's an easier way to see what happens on those lists I mentioned. Nabble archives many of them: http://www.nabble.com/Electronic-Music-f4.html ...sub to ambient@hyperreal.org or the faxlist@2350.org , hang around for a
bit and see what I mean.
cool link, thanxgr, R
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:19:20 -0400> From: theREALmxyzptlk@comcast.net> To: theREALmxyzptlk@comcast.net; orb@mailman.xmission.com; ramonvink@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Orb] Orb Digest, Vol 62, Issue 3> > Actually, there's an easier way to see what happens on those lists I > mentioned. Nabble archives many of them:> > http://www.nabble.com/Electronic-Music-f4.html> > > > ...sub to ambient@hyperreal.org or the faxlist@2350.org , hang around for a> > bit and see what I mean.
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I see what you mean Jeff. I must admit that i do not follow the ambient route too much anymore so i do miss out the good stuff i think. I want to have a listen to the music made by some of the people you name here. But, i also think that back in the day, the Orb had a specific sound which i like(d). Later FSOL came along, with a similar (but still different) sound. If you want, could you name a few modern artists which have a similar sound? I would realy want to check that out. Not that i am 'stuck' in the old stuff, but i just love the sample-handling approach of the old Orb...greets, Ramon
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:13:58 -0400> From: theREALmxyzptlk@comcast.net> To: ramonvink@hotmail.com> CC: orb@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Orb] Orb Digest, Vol 62, Issue 3> > Hey Ramon,> I must radically disagree with your statement that less ambient is being > produced and released these days.> There is far more new ambient out there - much of it free, on netlabels > like Thinner, etc) - than there was 10 years ago.> Sub to ambient@hyperreal.org or the faxlist@2350.org , hang around for a > bit and see what I mean. These days ambient has more subcategories than > can easily be managed. Ever heard of the Infraction label?> Adam Pacione? Keith Berry? Andrew Chalk?> Back to chillout, how about the Ultimae label?> Sending Orbs? Highpoint Lowlife (really a mash of styles there).> If I have time, I could fill an email which nobody has time to read.> But as it is, I have a pile of papers to grade and the semester ends soon...> > jeff> > > > > Hi jeff,> > > > Good story.> > As for myself, i have shifted my interest for new music a little bit > > during the last couple of years (decade) to other genres then ambient. > > Also the fact that less ambient music is released compared to like 10 > > years ago, does not help. > > _______________________________________________> Orb mailing list> Orb@mailman.xmission.com> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb> Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
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Hi Ramon, I'll give some thought and effort to this in a few weeks - right now it's the end of the semester at the college where I teach and I am flooded with papers and exams to grade, then prep for the next term, which starts less than a week after this one ends. jeff Ramon Vink wrote:
I see what you mean Jeff. I must admit that i do not follow the ambient route too much anymore so i do miss out the good stuff i think. I want to have a listen to the music made by some of the people you name here. But, i also think that back in the day, the Orb had a specific sound which i like(d). Later FSOL came along, with a similar (but still different) sound. If you want, could you name a few modern artists which have a similar sound? I would realy want to check that out. Not that i am 'stuck' in the old stuff, but i just love the sample-handling approach of the old Orb...
greets, Ramon
No problem Jeff, no rush! By the way, anyone know whatever happenend to Subsurfing..? That project from Greg Hunter 10(?) years ago.... Ramon
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:45:12 -0400> From: theREALmxyzptlk@comcast.net> To: orb@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Orb] Orb Digest, Vol 62, Issue 3> > Hi Ramon,> I'll give some thought and effort to this in a few weeks - right now > it's the end of the semester at the college where I teach and I am > flooded with papers and exams to grade, then prep for the next term, > which starts less than a week after this one ends.> > > jeff> > > Ramon Vink wrote:> > I see what you mean Jeff. I must admit that i do not follow the ambient > > route too much anymore so i do miss out the good stuff i think. I want > > to have a listen to the music made by some of the people you name here. > > But, i also think that back in the day, the Orb had a specific sound > > which i like(d). Later FSOL came along, with a similar (but still > > different) sound. If you want, could you name a few modern artists which > > have a similar sound? I would realy want to check that out. Not that i > > am 'stuck' in the old stuff, but i just love the sample-handling > > approach of the old Orb...> > > > greets,> > Ramon> > > _______________________________________________> Orb mailing list> Orb@mailman.xmission.com> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb> Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
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http://www.v-i-r-t-u-a-l-w-o-r-l-d.com/ The new ISHQ (Visions of Surya) might be of interest to some here.... (there are some free downloads from the Virtual label on the site if you poke around - I've not checked any of those myself) There's also a new Datassette LP out on Ai which I've not heard yet, but he tends to churn out a nice electro-tinged tech blend: http://www.airecords.com/
...and on the tech-ier side of things (but really nice) is the live Convextion set from a few years back which can be found here: http://ill-ec-tro-nic.blogspot.com/2007/03/razor-sharp.html BTW, there is a pretty good sized free and downloadable preview of that ISHQ record available at the bottom of that Virtual page I sent in the last post.
Techno/house mixes: http://www.solitonresearch.com/mixes.html
But God help the person who turns to this list for anything relatively new and remotely innovative musically. He or she is most likely to be bombarded with Rush suggestions (gag, ack,?!) And THAT is a travesty indeed - at least here.
Ha, I resemble that remark! Incidentally, they dropped off the "remotely innovative musically" train with the last release; I couldn't stand it. I have to say, not that inspired by new music these days really; been enjoying the late 60s/early 70s Stones (Sticky, Exile, and Bleed particularly) quite a bit lately tho.... T
Jack Dangers has an interesting live video-performance thing going, but c'mon. He's a one trick pony if there ever was one.
Are we talking about the same person? Jack's been pushing the boundaries as long as I can remember. Of course, not all of it was great (Jazz? Ugh) but saying he's a one trick pony just isn't accurate. I've got to say that I've liked the past few MBM albums much more than the past few Orb albums. The Badorb stuff was fun, for a while. Bikes and Trikes was very hit or miss. The Dream is pretty much the same. Come to think of it, the last Orb album I really enjoyed as a whole was Cydonia (v1.0). The most recent track I really liked was "Land of Green Ginger"...why? Because that's the Orb sound I liked when I joined this list 12 (!) years ago. Hasn't been much of that recently, and let's face it there probably won't be much in the future. I guess that's the nostalgia talking.
Eh - I disagree. I like what Danger's does, but he's worn the breakbeat-cycle into the ground. It's not simply that one can spot most any track by him within 30 seconds or a matter of a consistent style, its more like "I've heard it all 5 records ago." I've seen him a number of times and heard most of his records, so I'm not talking out of school. jeff
Jack Dangers has an interesting live video-performance thing going, but c'mon. He's a one trick pony if there ever was one.
Are we talking about the same person? Jack's been pushing the boundaries as long as I can remember. Of course, not all of it was great (Jazz? Ugh) but saying he's a one trick pony just isn't accurate.
I have to weigh in here, somewhere in the middle...I think his way of doing things has resulted in some amazing hits and some disappointing misses...it's certainly (to me) not that I heard it all before 5y ago (RUOK was one of the best in awhile IMO), it's more that the sinusoidal nature of my preference for his output (ahem, keep it clean please) is annoying! Kinda like Bob Mould - great talent but it seems only every 3rd album or so really shines. That said, a breakdown (I have all but the last 2): 99% - great, don't like the early stuff so much but you could hear the a coming in here Satyricon - best album even if some parts a little dated now Sub Sandwich - totally hit and miss - love a few parts, most of it annoying Actual Sounds - pretty good but almost like trying too hard to get early feel back RUOK - awesome, really enjoy this one (honorable mention, Tino's Breaks 6) At the Center - what? appreciate the man's varied styles/talents, but just couldn't get into this one Live '05 - awesome, and why I think the current show is such a disappointment Autoimmune - just can't get into it, slightly better than "Center" but just sounds like going through the motions while incorporating new style stuff ("dub step" or whatever) currently in vogue - and at least LXP is slightly better at being SLIGHTLY more subtle about the far-left politics* I think the Orb's output has been consistently better (Okie Dokie is the only serious dip IMO), and of course I think the Orb is far more skilled/sophisticated/serious when it comes to composition (I often remark that I rank LX with Bach and Zappa in this regard, and then go on to note that this list leaves off Beethoven)...we came home (after being basically shelled by the repetitive bombasity of the MBM show and the most harrowing "Fear and Loathing in SF" cab ride of my life**) and put on The Dream and it was just like oh YEAH this is how it's supposed to be done! T * also a show-killer - I hate Bush too but come on ** amazing driving skills considering low driver IQ, complete lack of shocks or front end, metal-on-metal brake noises, good engine power though. some SF details are included so locals can have a bit of specifics on the terror, btw - could tell front end was shot b/c could FEEL car actually swaying back and forth in the lane from the car's BOW WAVE bouncing off parked cars and the spaces between them going along Fell st, where all the cars park by the panhandle of GG park...best part of ride was when driver pulled into 19th ave to get out of way of ambulance (we were stopped at red light on Lincoln facing west), then realizes by doing so he's managed to block the turn lane (which the ambulance coming up behind actually needed) - driver reaction is to make this sort of "oh" noise, gun it across intersection, and carry on, at which point he (I am not making this up) proceeds to change the tape from some kind of jazz to a kid's motivational tape of some sort (I swear, the chipmunky words were something like "I love me, I love me" or something), which he then proceeds to start GIGGLING to
-----Original Message----- From: orb-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of theREALmxyzptlk Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:05 AM To: What were the skies like when you were young? Subject: Re: [Orb] Orb Digest, Vol 62, Issue 3
Eh - I disagree. I like what Danger's does, but he's worn the breakbeat-cycle into the ground. It's not simply that one can spot most any track by him within 30 seconds or a matter of a consistent style, its more like "I've heard it all 5 records ago." I've seen him a number of times and heard most of his records, so I'm not talking out of school.
jeff
Jack Dangers has an interesting live video-performance thing going, but c'mon. He's a one trick pony if there ever was one.
Are we talking about the same person? Jack's been pushing the boundaries as long as I can remember. Of course, not all of it was great (Jazz? Ugh) but saying he's a one trick pony just isn't accurate.
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