<< it's interesting that so many people are still lauding analogue as the bee's bollocks. >>
it's the same thing as all those fetishists who insist on vinyl-only.
That's not entirely fair. As one of the fetishists in question, I have many reasons for buying largely vinyl rather than CD. First off it's cheaper. Records are on the whole WAY less expensive than cd's. Especially if you're buying them from fools who have no idea what they're worth or used from stores who aren't familiar with the genre etc. For example, I got my near mint vinyl copy of Adventures for $7 from a used record store in Cambridge Mass. :) Plus, a lot of old recordings which were analog to begin with sound better than their cd counterparts. A TON of music is available only on vinyl like old stuff, or new promos. The orb once more 3x12" promos are a perfect example. If you bought the cd you only got about 2/3 of the mixes. I like the format more generally, in terms of artwork, and in terms of the way it looks generally. Jewel cases just suck. The japanese, at least, generally have transcended the lame-oid standard plastic case with slip-in artwork. Finally, say what you want about CD-based mixing, but nothing beats the tactile experience of mixing vinyl records. I just find it easier and more fun to use vinyl than cds for DJ purposes.
but here's a thought: it's only in the music world that you get this. you never hear video people bitching that DVD is Digital Video, and is thus "less real" than analog video.....
why is that?
Because there are a lot of very vocal audiophiles who care a really really lot about how close their recording is to the original. I agree it's kinda stupid to just declare that one format is better than the other, but for a given individual and set of circumstances (as above) I think one can make a judgement call. Another thing is that most new movies are filmed digitally to begin with, so when you transfer to magnetic tape there's already a loss in quality. But primarily I think this has to do with the simple facts about magnetic tape (VHS). It's a shitty format. It degrades over time, and each copy-of-a-copy you make yields lower and lower image and sound quality. So when you make a DVD from the original analog 135mm (or whatever format it's in), you often get a much better quality than your average VCR tape. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
At 01:12 PM 7/14/2003 -0400, you wrote:
<< it's interesting that so many people are still lauding analogue as the bee's bollocks. >>
it's the same thing as all those fetishists who insist on vinyl-only.
That's not entirely fair. As one of the fetishists in question, I have many reasons for buying largely vinyl rather than CD.
[...] See, you've got lots of good, understandable reasons for buying vinyl: that vinyl's just nicer to work with on platters is one i hear a lot and respect entirely. But it's when people like my DJ mate refuse to scratch over beats spooled in from CD only because those beats originate from digital media.. that's just Sad Fucked Up Dumb. choiiiice, Kurrel
First off it's cheaper. Records are on the whole WAY less expensive than cd's. Especially if you're
hmmm...all i will say is that i bought the new mogwai on vinyl for maybe 1 or 2 dollars less than the cd and that is the norm (re: the price markup) when i get a vinyl version of an album...i dont think most new vinyl is very cheap really...esp if you go for the high quality 180 gram vinyl (as much of the new indie and jazz reissues are)...i've accumulated a pretty decent debt just because of all the dub vinyl i've bought...now that shit is expensive and adds up...and electronica 12" are regularly $10-12 (unless you get domestic singles which usually dont offer a great selection)...that's not really a better price...even 7" will run you $3 a pop...not much cheaper than a new cd single if you ask me...
mint vinyl copy of Adventures for $7 from a used record store in Cambridge Mass. :)
if you are saying that because you could get ABTU used for $7 on vinyl that it is a better deal i'm gonna have to disagree. I could go down to the used store and pick the ABTU cd up for around 8 or 9. and it sounds better. the copy of my ABTU on vinyl was pressed on very thin plastic and the sounds just dont get reproduced as well as they should. maybe you version is pressed on better vinyl. one can only hope so. but i know i have the original pressing and its disappointing how terrible it sounds...i'll definately defer to my cd... of course if you are talking about buying used vinyl then you have a point to a certain extent. its not hard to find old cheap records...i regularly grab handfuls of 50 cent records to sample from...
old stuff, or new promos. The orb once more 3x12" promos are a perfect
you know, i wish i would have just bought the cd singles (wait...i did...) cause i wasted $35 on 3 12"s that i will never play because the mixes are horrific...at least i could sell the cd singles for some cash...selling vinyl is such a losing cause... i love all my vinyl but i dont think i could ever say that i like one format better than the other. a lot of my hiphop just doesnt sound as good on viynl as it does on the cd. maybe thats because whomever mastered it didnt do it with vinyl in mind. i'd say that both sides of the argument are pretty valid and it just comes down to user preference...as do almost all things... thx tweez np: phish 7-9-2003 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
Finally, say what you want about CD-based mixing, but nothing beats the tactile experience of mixing vinyl records. I just find it easier and more fun to use vinyl than cds for DJ purposes.
Hmmm, dont know about that. I've been using my 1200s for my vinyl and thought the exact same way, but i recently purchased a Denon DN-S5000 CD turntable with the spinning platter, onboard sampler etc and i think these babies or certainly this type of technology could be a real threat to the ol black stuff. doesnt mean i'm gonna bin all my vinyl and go all digital but i can certainly see the turntables being give a run for their money. your right on one thing though, its hard as fuck to get promos on CD and the joy of finding a promo in a bargain bin for say £2 is hard to better. G np - Hint - PortakabinFever
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