http://theorb.clickncreate.net/ is the link I was talking about and I get "HTTP 500 Internal server error" "The page cannot be displayed." I was just mentioning that the error for just "clickncreate.net" was different. It don't work for me so I give up. ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________ 25% of the world's prison population is in US prisons.