Hi, No new CAN, but new Solo Projekts, especially Masters of confusion contains 2 Tracks, that remind me on the thing, that the Orb had done on Orbus Terrarum, the CD by Jaki is really worth to get, Dub and Jaki´s secret rythms, endless discreet and fine. Do anyone know more about Kumo? Irmin Schmidt & Kumo - Masters of confusion (www.spoonrecords.com) Burnt Friedmann & Jaki Liebezeit - Secret ryhthms..." http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000063TCI/qid=1028117427/sr=1-1/ref=s... Cy, Christoph

I have it for Nero Burning rom. The MP3 Pro Plug-in.

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-----Original Message----- From: orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Alan Evil Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:32 PM To: orblist Subject: [Orb] Ogg? / CAN?!?

Ogg sounds pretty cool but it needs a bit more hardware support before I start using it to save my music. If I had big bucks I'd find the best format and make sure it would work in my SoulPlayer (I'm sure it wouldn't cost too incredibly much to get them to make an upgrade) and my car (just install a serious computer IN the car) and implanted in my ear. But I don't have big bucks and just getting my mp3 discman was painful.

Has anyone listened to this Mp3Pro format yet? It's some sort of dual encoded thing that my Musicmatch Jukebox Pro has (by the way, the free version of MMJB is really good for ripping and burning and stuff). I just don't have the time to do the analysis.

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On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 10:24:49AM -0700, Jeremy Avnet wrote:

* Alan Evil (alanevil@bellsouth.net) said:

...

Ogg sounds pretty cool but it needs a bit more hardware support before I start using it to save my music. If I had big bucks I'd find the best

That seems to be the only thing really holding it back. Since it's patent free, there are no royalties to pay for implementing it in hardware. Thus, I am hoping we'll be seeing support for it in all the hardware players.

Unfortunately, rumor has it that the MP3 people are threatening companies like Apple that if they implement OGG then they lose their license agreements for the mp3 codec. *sigh*

That's exactly the sort of thing that might increase the uptake of Ogg. If manufacturers get pressure from the mpeg folks theymight be more likely to say "why are we paying them a license fee to get heavy with us?" Companies like Apple can't just drop mp3 support, but I'd expect to see some smaller OEMs start making portable ogg-players (with no mp3 support) and shipping them with a disk containing royalty-free ogg-encoder software. fingers crossed. -- Horms and I discussed this, and we came up with two categories of people. People who use vim, and people who don't realize that they could be using vim. - Geoff Harrison