yeah count me in on drooling over that orbert as well! and hey - i haven't been up to date with this list for some time, but yesterday i've read through a bunch of the past threads and just want to say THANK YOU to RMS Stringer for his long running ftp server. sad to say i never got to take advantage myself....it was always "i'll get around to it" and now it's too late and that's kinda depressing. but to see the reaction he got when he closed shop is pretty sickening. as it was said - he ran that server purely to serve the community and didn't ask for anything in return and for that he got to hear a bunch of whiny bitches crying about him mentioning the freebies he had to offer. terrible. i've been involved in many trading circles and trees and digital trades for years so i know what it's like to be on his end. so here's another person giving you the proper respect man! hope all is well in richmond.....i went to university of richmond for 4 years back in 1993-97 and had a great time in that great city. cheers to you all ;)