[my comments in] This is amazing... When I subscribed to an Orb mailing list, the last thing that I expected to encounter was a flame war started by healthcare disagreements, followed by a flame war directed at someone that was a MEMBER OF The Orb!!!! [doesn't give him license to be an ass] We all have something in common. Something inside of our collective brain is *different* than most people. What percentage of people in this world could listen to Orbvs Terrarvm and appreciate the beauty and complexity? Not too many. However, few people on this list could comprehend NOT appreciating an album of that caliber. The US may be divided by the red vs blue mentality, but this list should be able to realize that both red and blue are a part of the same spectrum. They may be opposite ends of the spectrum, but they are both an integral part of the whole. [this isn't a collective - or at least I didn't sign up to be part of one] [most people are philosophically idiots - esp in rave community - that can't be helped - I won't sink to hippie horse biscuits of "the Orb binds us" anymore than I'll believe that kids doing E really love each other] keep things on-topic. I understand that the healthcare thing was just someone that was looking for a little assistance/ammunition for an essay or something, but let this be an example of how a light-hearted off-topic post can ruin a community. [if people can't take what was originally an intellectual argument, maybe they should get out of the philosophical kitchen - anyway, the important part is that if people continue to hold ideas like the original poster of the medicine thread or the lack of ideas that the twat that was formerly in the Orb like to get away with, it's only a matter of time before the "community" is irrelevant and nonexistent] Think about the poor suckers that are seeing this as their ONLY representation of this group. We are all adults, we are all intelligent, lets prove it with our actions. [attention poor suckers: You are advised - NOW is the time to start thinking. Do you give Weston more money for royalties after seeing he's clearly unworthy of receiving it and doesn't give a fuck?] [the LEAST Mr. Weston could be is gracious towards fans and appreciative of what he accomplished and had because of it - maybe if he wasn't such an ass he'd still be in the band] T