Very interesting: "Initially, most users observe something akin to a perpetually metamorphosing Persian rug. Within 10 to 15 minutes, entoptic effects are likely to segue into a series of cinematic images, as the brain struggles to find a semblance of order in an otherwise endless, abstract chaos. During this process, one enters lucid dreaming." Sounds pretty cool! :-) I guess William S. Burroughs was way big on these things. Here's the artist who makes them: http://www.davidwoodard.com/ And an interview w/the artist: http://www.newworlddisorder.ca/issuethree/interviews/woodard.html And an article in LA Weekly: http://www.juniperhills.net/weekly.html Anyone have any experience with this? Or any further info? _jason_ _________ ________ _______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ _