<< I would hope that the orb's managemnt would take note of this shit and start releasing some live and/or rare collections. They could start with my first orb show 06/09/95. Why not? They already have the DATs. Why don't they clean them up a bit and release some? Order them from their website or something. >> i dunno Matt. we all remember how the last Orb mail-order off the web thing ended.... although i personally had no problems with BadOrb, i knwo that others did. do we want to go through that again? i remember months of daily messages from dozens of people that all basically siad "Didn't get my bob/tog/mugz today yet.".... i, for one, don't want to go through all that again. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org