Apart from the (side each) CD "Mixmag live! volume 9 (the orb's dr. Alex Paterson / Mixmaster Morris)" have they ever produced anything together? I've just found some ancient Irresistible Force stuff (aka: mixmaster morris) which sounds very "old school orb". If you missed it the first time (as I did) it's worth checking out......very nice indeed. Anyone, know where I can get some "Nepalese Bliss"? bbroo **************** P.S. War bit: I have three general (not totally related to the present situation) War & Peace items that I would welcome comment/discussion on. To keep "orb only" music fans happy it's probably best to post on bi11i's or Brians sites (please let me know which one): Before I do, just wanted to mention that I work at University of Davis Medical Center (main hospital) and we have had a number of regular blood donors refuse to come in and donate blood this time, "as a protest, in case it is sent to US troops overseas"!! 1) Being in the medical field I have to agree that a single avoidable loss of life at any time is a bad thing, but I have always had a problem with the cessation of the 2nd World War scenario. Undoubtedly, many thousands more people would eventually have been killed (on both sides) if the war had not been abruptly stopped by the atomic bomb on Hiroshima.....and I don't mean that this scenerio is anyway related to the sad miscalculation currently being carried out. 2) Why are there no grass-roots democracy groups in the middle east? Perhaps no one there really wants democracy? 3) With thousands of years of deep hatred between certain Palestinians and Israelis can peace ever be achieved? The Israelis should of course leave the occupied territories, but what else could be done to ensure peace in this part of the world?