Yeah yeah, you no more care about Kris than I do... which is a lil, but not really at all. I am just depressed cuz I just spotted Like Vibert in an Amstel Lite commercial (the one where they run a bunch of extention cords from their apartment to the park so they can have A/C). Who is left to sell out? GEL... What is that Ween forum addy anyhow? I wanted to get on there since you told me its very competitive and flaming, I often get my kicks from a good argument. _______________________________________________ give back you slags: http://mentor.org _______________________________________________ kermit kerm for children with special needs: http://www.heaven666.org/images/own3d%20by%20kermit.jpg _______________________________________________