Fuck em then. I learned early on that the best way to get help is when youve taken care of the dumb questions on your own. Chances are you wont need much basic help. I love when people refuse to research an issue then act as if they have a right to bash a product or component thats giving them trouble. Laziness behind any whining I dont give much credence to. The end result of researching your problems and finding solutions on your own is you end up having elevated conversations and learn the finer points of something youre interested in rather than being a pain in the ass asking the most basic questions. Just a thought, --- Mark Schieldrop Reporter, The Narragansett Times mark@schieldrop.net ________________________________________ god people who cant work email are so dumb man they fart about and cant be bothered to read anything im surprised anyone helps em.... -- )) (( c[_] bLiP www.justablip.co.uk (dont bother going there)