they have gone a bit mad... if you send a dj a cd you made and it gets on the radio, you have to have released it in some form (ie made that cd) mcps are currently trying to get £20 or so for that... also, they are taking an estimated fee plus a surplus on the legal download stores. one of the bigger dance ones is paying 150% of what it should. mcps really do deserve to suffer if they are clobbering the people who are trying to do it properly :-< Jon Doe ======================================== Message Received: Feb 08 2006, 04:58 PM From: "Don Gagen" To: "What were the skies like when you were young?" Cc: Subject: RE: [Orb] OT: New "digital DJ" law in UK I read through most of this more carefully and though it is restrictive it’s not as bad as I originally thought. Still crappy… Dubbing in this case refer only to the creation of the digital file used by the DJ, or what most people refer to as ripping MP3s. ““Dub” means re-record, reproduce and/or copy or otherwise duplicate sound recordings (and the words “Dubbing” and “Dubbed” shall be interpreted accordingly).” However they don’t want you making your own remixes or mash-ups when you are creating your digital recordings or “dubs”. You can fade, beat mix, remix, and create mash-ups as long as you are doing it live and not recording it. “This does not stop you creating a mix from different tracks when you are performing as a DJ. However, neither you nor anyone else will be able to record this mix. “ This is pretty silly, but I imagine you would be fine as long as you never brought more than 20K worth of tracks to a performance. “You can only store in digital form a maximum of 20,000 tracks. Tracks on your Back-up Database do not count towards this total, provided that they are copies of tracks included in the count for the DJ Database. If you reach this limit and want to copy more tracks, you will have to delete an equivalent number of tracks from your DJ Database and your Back-up Database. Please note that it is not permissible to evade this limit by deleting excess tracks and saving them on a separate disk (or disks).” The sources: http://www.ppluk.com/ppl/ppl_lf.nsf/PDFs/$file/Digital_DJ_Licence_Terms_and_... http://www.ppluk.com/ppl/ppl_lf.nsf/PDFs/$file/Digital_DJ_Licence_FAQs.pdf "There is no greater joy than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, except maybe the joy of watching a dreamer who has nowhere to land but in the ocean of reality." Despair INC. DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com From: orb-bounces+dgagen=ensemblestudios.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-bounces+dgagen=ensemblestudios.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ..::( Jason )::.. Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:55 PM To: '604'; sfBay604@cloudfactory.org; Orb_ Subject: [Orb] New "digital DJ" law in UK This is pretty whack: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4609378.stm Here’s the comments from a blog I read – stupid! :-/ Check out the part about limiting mixes to two seconds or less! -- Digital DJs must pay twice to store tracks on hard drive Boing Boing reader Scott says, BBC News is reporting that most club DJs in the UK are unaware of a licensing restriction that means if they buy a CD or vinyl track, they will have to pay an additional licence fee if they rip it to a hard drive and play it out from there. (Earlier story on The Stage on the same topic: Link ) The Digital DJ licence costs GBP200 + VAT per device -- so if they use an iPod or similar, they could well need to pay more than once -- on top of the existing public performance licence that club DJs need. Now, this is just my opinion, but this structure seems more about getting revenue than it does about enforcing copyright/protecting the original artists/whatever excuse is being given this week. To add insult to injury, the signup page defaults to a licence GBP50 more expensive than the one needed. The extra money entitles you to access a members-only website as well as a "welcome pack with a glossy flyer containing your membership card and a place to store all of your Digital DJ literature"! Woo! Reader comment: Anonymous says, I also believe that the license requires DJs to LIMIT their crossover/fades/blends to TWO SECONDS OR LESS. Screw that, what about those of us who beatmatch two (or more songs) for MINUTES at a time? Apparently, I can't use my EQ either, or the loop function my DJ software comes with -- from the PPL Digital DJ Terms and conditions: "Dubbing obligations 3.1 The Licensee hereby warrants, represents and undertakes that it shall: (1) Dub each Track in its entirety provided that the Fade-down Section of any Track may be subject to the use of premature fade and cross-faded or overlapped with the Track following immediately thereafter provided that the period of audible cross fade or overlap does not exceed 2 (two) seconds; (2) not Dub Tracks in such a way as to accelerate the rate of the Fade-up Section at the commencement of any Track; (3) Dub Tracks so that all reproductions of Sound Recordings on a DJ Database or Back-up Database will be of sufficient technical standard so that the quality of the original Sound Recording is reasonably preserved for any person listening to the Service; (4) not mix, remix, Segue, edit, change or otherwise manipulate the sounds of any Sound Recording so that the sounds on the Dubbed copy of the Sound Recording are different from those on the original Sound Recording (5) comply with PPL’s guidelines from time to time issued in relation to devices holding copies of Sound Recordings and in particular as to the security of such copies; and (6) ensure that all Dubbing of Sound Recordings shall be undertaken by the Licensee only." So does this license then allow DJs to use illegal downloads because they've paid this fee? Uhh... Apparently, if the license is terminated "for any reason", then the user is required to delete all the music off their hard drive. If I lived in the UK, I'd be a criminal for not buying this license very year, but I'd also be in violation of this license because it forbids DJs to do what they do with music. I BUY MY MUSIC. I don't get it off p2p, etc. Sound quality is important to me, so I rip my CDs myself. Why on Earth should I pay for the privelege of keeping my own music on my own hard drive? This crap will just encourage people to buy less music because they've spent their money on this ridiculous "license". Reader comment: Bazzargh sez, It gets worse. The PPL Digital DJ FAQ (PDF) says: "At present you can copy store the sound recording in any digital format. However, please note that in the near future PPL will be requiring the storage of sound recordings in digital form to be protected by Digital Rights Management." EEK! "Does the licence allow me to create mixes? [Nope!] This does not stop you creating a mix from different tracks when you are performing as a DJ. However, neither you nor anyone else will be able to record this mix." There's lots more in there. Your backup can't be on removable media (it has to be on a 'computer or hard disk unit'). You can't have more than one backup. They can ask for a list of the tracks you have stored - up to 20,000 - and what you intend to play at an event. Reader comment: Ryan Steele writes, This is the case in Canada as well. A license will set you back $250 per year (plus a $50 administration fee). Link -- _jason_ _________ ________ _______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ _ [ (no name for attachment) (0.2 Kb) ] www.clsm.net