are you talking about the LA show, that crappy set they played during that festival? correct if im wrong but if thats the show you are reffering to that was suppose to be the worst show of the North American Tour, so i dont think that would be a very good one to judge the tour on. if thats not the show your talking about which one are you talking about? remember i was only reffering to US shows (or North American). cant much speak for all those great appearences he makes over in the UK and europe. DJ TV In a message dated 5/26/02 11:28:46 AM Central Daylight Time, ramonvink@hotmail.com writes: << Okay, everybody has his own opinion here :-) cool.. IMO the early version also comes closer to the OT album. More and deeper bass and less engineered sounding with clearly on the fly muting of thacks like Trash used to do on the early albums (Loving U) I'm sad to conclude as well that i did not like the live set they played on DOUR 2001 (BE).. Okay, the weather was f$^&ng shit and all, but the show was not rocking as it did back in '95 @ Happy happy JoY JoY Tour. I can sense the influence of Andy here. Clearly, i do NOT dislike the Orb or BadOrb stuff now, but i think the Cydonia album could have been more enjoyable than it now is. Orb-out Arv