number one the statement bush won by a larger margin this time is nonsensical as obviously if the margin was any tighter he wouldnt have won he couldnt do any worse hehehe i dont know if you can call roughly half a majority either i personally would call that half.. as for the new york times and this pathetic american ideological warfare where they feel they have to resort to using a word like liberal to brand people and associate lots of bad feelings with it in the media etc.. i see through them... that goes for the new york times im sure they dont openly speak out against israel which is the BIGGEST issue in america and the world today its all the frickin palestinian two legged beats isnt it...? its all their fault the way they throw stones at us those bastards... i personally think its totally OK for soldiers to open fire on children who throw stones at them.. completely completely ok would could be better in fact.. some nice child killing ... awesome... in fact if i was in the US i would pay my taxes with glee knowing they are going towards blowing the shit out of some poor defenceless bastard.. and his kids... so i cant imagine why the new york times should be so subversive if anything the opposite they are near enough the mouthpiece of government and business in america if business dont like what a journalist says in the new york times hes out - and its all internalised values that no one ever questions remarkably stupid but hey i havent stopped evolving you guys do what you like sanctimonious turgid flames about how accepting you are that bush got in wont get you very far with me my old sonny... as far as im concerned its the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right.. all are slaves to economy and corporations ('the individuals') the ideological battle to pretend you have a choice or manafacturing consent as ole chomsky would say.... is all that remains just keep thinking the word 'democracy' applies to you over there...... money, greed and selfish immoral values are what governs america really,,, anyway back to my huge dinner of 10 pound notes with gravy while i get blown by a whore... and no i didnt say we had one hear either but at least we have health care.. kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis ***************************** On 7 Dec 2004, at 17:39, Ken Erxleben wrote: